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Old 04-01-2018, 09:03 PM
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From the Enlightenment to the Dark Ages: How “new atheism” slid into the alt-right
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Old 04-01-2018, 10:21 PM
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It's nice how that guy's getting paid to notice something everyone else has known about for pretty much ever.
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Old 04-02-2018, 04:21 AM
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I'd say there's still a role for "atheist advocacy" or whatever you want to call it, but I feel like we're doing pretty fine and jettisoning Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins (and Hitchens, if he were alive) would be just fine. Things were a bit different under Bush... And if Pence ends up in the Oval Office, things might head back in that direction, but I think the religious right is doing more to discredit themselves right now than anyone with their undying support of Trump.

On a related note, is there any opinion I should have about Daniel Dennett anyway? He's often lumped in with the others as one of the "four horsemen" but he doesn't seem to be a publicity hound like the others and I haven't really heard anything from him that seemed objectionable (because I haven't heard much from him in general).
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Old 04-02-2018, 06:25 AM
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On a related note, is there any opinion I should have about Daniel Dennett anyway? He's often lumped in with the others as one of the "four horsemen" but he doesn't seem to be a publicity hound like the others and I haven't really heard anything from him that seemed objectionable (because I haven't heard much from him in general).
I don't think Daniel Dennett likes to talk about things outside his areas of expertise.

While that's refreshing and helps him avoid foot-in-mouth disease, it would be nice if he actually took a stand and opposed some of the idiocy coming from the other 2.
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:01 PM
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I don't think there's a huge need for atheist advocacy, really. There's a huge need for separation of church and state, science advocacy, reproductive healthcare, diversity, education, etc., but the problem isn't religion in itself, really. It's religious persecution, particularly by authoritative, patriarchal religions. It's the scope and reach of what church leaders are trying to control, and what variously cynical adherents like Pence and other godbothering politicians try to attach it to.

And I don't think the solution to a bunch of bossy old men trying to control people with their religion is to establish groups of bossy old men trying to control people with an authoritative, patriarchal atheism movement. Not that Dick Dorkins and his ilk can't say what they want to say or whatever, but they shouldn't be held up as spokesmen for any kind of social movement or whatever. Their expertise is narrow, and they're not really qualified to be passing judgment or proposing social change based on that, any more than some old religious authority is.

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Old 04-02-2018, 04:54 PM
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Or as some old guy said, a brand-new sling, the same old rock.
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Old 04-02-2018, 05:18 PM
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I don't think there's a huge need for atheist advocacy, really.

[...] bossy old men trying to control people with an authoritative, patriarchal atheism movement.
I don't think the former is synonymous with the latter and it's certainly not what I meant by "atheist advocacy". I agree that the latter is bad, which is why I think Harris and Dawkins should go away/stop talking about things outside their area of expertise (evolution for Dawkins and ??? for Harris).
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There's a huge need for separation of church and state, science advocacy, reproductive healthcare, diversity, education, etc., but the problem isn't religion in itself, really. It's religious persecution, particularly by authoritative, patriarchal religions. It's the scope and reach of what church leaders are trying to control, and what variously cynical adherents like Pence and other godbothering politicians try to attach it to.
I don't agree exactly. I think religion per se is part of the problem. Authoritarianism and religion go together like PB&J.

But yes, fundamentalism is the larger problem.
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Old 04-02-2018, 06:44 PM
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I see what you're saying, but the religions we're talking about are just tools for social control. That's why pretty much every tightly controlling, partiarchal religion ends up as a big fat pedophile ring. And why any "new atheism" movement would end up the same way. And why the one we have is already so clueless.

It's just kind of weirdly controlling, trying to turn it into a big umbrella issue with leaders and all. I'm not talking about the FFRF and stuff like that, but an overall social movement. Everything's a fucking cult anymore, and I hate it.
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That's why pretty much every tightly controlling, partiarchal religion ends up as a big fat pedophile ring.

what are you saying here? :chin:

i mean i know what you're saying, but i wonder if you do?
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MLK was assassinated 50 years ago today. I feel it incumbent to post (and reread) what may be his greatest writing.

Letter from a Birmingham Jail

It's rather depressing how many of the conditions he describes here haven't changed in the slightest.
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I probably said I'd never link to a Kinja site again because of how they break, but this is a particular peeve of mine, so I'm going to try. PARY FOR OUR LOTS.

Manifest Destiny-Lite With Souvenirs: Why Assholes in Turquoise Are Flooding the Southwest

Whenever you get a group of too many white people and someone mentions Albuquerque, someone else always and I mean always tells them to go to Santa Fe instead because Albuquerque is too scary.

Santa Fe is like a Disneyland version of New Mexico. White ladies in ponchos and $20 weed salads, and I've never seen anyone else complaining about that until just now.
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I’m tired of hearing from my mom’s neighbors in her Del Webb community how unhappy they are about the Raiders moving to Las Vegas, and the “gangster” Raiders fans who are going to come and ruin their famously morally upstanding city. :rolleyes:
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Local Fox station news anchors catching flack for criticizing a 17 year old boy for getting 20 offers from colleges and universities.

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Because it's Oakland the neighborhood around the lake (I love that it's called a lake, it's mostly 3ft deep with a max of 10) threw a huge grill party at the same spot.
White woman calls police on black family’s BBQ - so neighbourhood throws huge street party | The Independent

When there's a decent amount of actually dangerous crime in the city to worry about, grill nannies just won't fly.
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Sounds like a good party. :)
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