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Old 12-20-2012, 01:12 PM
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Not sure if this was mentioned before:

Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21 little kids stabbed. Strict gun control laws so the nutjob could not get one.

Guess what? All the kids lived.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:22 PM
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I would be curious to see a map of homicides by all means, other than firearms.
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We are tied with Yemen, and have a higher murder rate than Somalia
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:38 PM
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Both of which are considered to be at war. Tourists are cautioned to stay away from there.

Although tourists to the US are probably going to be okay as long as they stay away from schools.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:48 PM
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“Among the world’s 23 wealthiest countries, 80 percent of all gun deaths are American deaths and 87 percent of all kids killed by guns are American kids.” This is 42.7 times greater than the rate for all the other nations combined.

So you are compairing 'gun deaths' in America with 'gun deaths' in other countries where guns are not avalable?
Actually, I'm quoting an article that sort-of does that -- among other things. In fact guns are available, strictly speaking, in every country on the planet. They are just not legally available or easily available in some of them. The figures in question suggest -- among other things -- an effect of easy and legal availability on gun deaths.
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:01 PM
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Also, not sure if it's meaningful to anyone but me, but about half of all US homicides involve victims/offenders who know each other.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/hom...lationship.cfm
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:09 PM
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Stand by for the NRA to argue that the problem is people knowing each other.
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:21 PM
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The Asshole Right knows nothing better than deflection and fake outrage. The depressing thing is to see a cowardly university administration buying into the :halftroll: fakery.

Also, the shootings happened because of Jon Stewart and the War on the War on the War on Christmas.
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List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are tied with Yemen, and have a higher murder rate than Somalia

Just a quick look would suggest that some countries with the lowest avalability of guns have the highest murder rate. Suggesting that guns are not the problem?
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Which countries are you referring to so we can analyze?

The US and Yemen are #1 and #2 in private citizen gun ownership, and tied in murder rate. I don't think anybody is saying guns are the only problem...and if they are that's a problem in itself. Obviously poverty and instability are a factor in murder rates (hence Africa, S. America, etc are the highest rates).

The US is a first world country and has a murder rate well above all other first world countries, and is number 1 in gun ownership. Correlation is there.
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I'm pretty sure that you're supposed to kill turtles with a flamethrower. :kiwf::turtle:
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Which countries are you referring to so we can analyze?

The US and Yemen are #1 and #2 in private citizen gun ownership, and tied in murder rate. I don't think anybody is saying guns are the only problem...and if they are that's a problem in itself. Obviously poverty and instability are a factor in murder rates (hence Africa, S. America, etc are the highest rates).

The US is a first world country and has a murder rate well above all other first world countries, and is number 1 in gun ownership. Correlation is there.

If you look at the gun ownership map compaired to the overall homicide rate you will see that Russia, Brazil, and much of central Africa is low on guns but high on murder. This in not a detailed analysis but just a quick look.

For the US the overall murder rate is low and the firearms rate is low as well, according to the maps you provided the links to.
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Brazil is low on guns? This is news to Brazilians.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:07 PM
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Same for Russia and central Africa...
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Brazil is low on guns? This is news to Brazilians.

LadyShea posted the link to this map.

The gun ownership and gun homicides murder map of the world | News | guardian.co.uk

Russia and the rest of asia, most of Africa and South America are on the low end of the scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ma...icide_rate.png

This map would seem to indicate that Russia, Brazil, and much of Africa are on the high end of the scale for Homicides.
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Brazil is low on guns? This is news to Brazilians.

LadyShea posted the link to this map.

The gun ownership and gun homicides murder map of the world | News | guardian.co.uk

Russia and the rest of asia, most of Africa and South America are on the low end of the scale.

File:Map of world by intentional homicide rate.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This map would seem to indicate that Russia, Brazil, and much of Africa are on the high end of the scale for Homicides.
Weird - because the Favelas in Brazil alone are renowned for being absolutely chock full of guns, including heavy weaponry such as light machine guns and RPG's. Police won't go in unless in armored vehicles or in special forced-style helicopter raids, though I hear lately they are trying some new methods that include clearing an area with heavily armed squads and then flooding the area with locally trained police.

Be that as it may, I find it hard to image anyone considering Brazil a country where gun ownership is uncommon.

Perhaps we are talking about *registered* guns only?
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Brazil is low on guns? This is news to Brazilians.

LadyShea posted the link to this map.

The gun ownership and gun homicides murder map of the world | News | guardian.co.uk

Russia and the rest of asia, most of Africa and South America are on the low end of the scale.

File:Map of world by intentional homicide rate.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This map would seem to indicate that Russia, Brazil, and much of Africa are on the high end of the scale for Homicides.
Weird - because the Favelas in Brazil alone are renowned for being absolutely chock full of guns, including heavy weaponry such as light machine guns and RPG's. Police won't go in unless in armored vehicles or in special forced-style helicopter raids, though I hear lately they are trying some new methods that include clearing an area with heavily armed squads and then flooding the area with locally trained police.

Be that as it may, I find it hard to image anyone considering Brazil a country where gun ownership is uncommon.

Perhaps we are talking about *registered* guns only?
I did not provide the links to the maps. Talk to LadyShea. I just read the information on the maps.
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Perhaps we are talking about *registered* guns only?

Or perhaps we are talking about a 'gun control' agenda, regardless of the data.
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