Goin to the chapel and I'm goin to

[beyelzu]

kick the shit out of na in debate.


seriously dude, come on over, this is the thread for discussing how christians suck.


I will be taking the position that christianity shaped science and politics in the western world, in america, that our freedom is largely derived from religious concerns.


I assume you will be taking the position that xians are the devil or something,



oh, and to those of you who thought this was about me and es, trolled, bitches.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

kick the shit out of na in debate.

Seriously bey, where is the sport in kicking a cripple?

[ChuckF]

god damn it bey trolled me again.

[Adam]

Fuck, he got me too.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

kick the shit out of na in debate.


seriously dude, come on over, this is the thread for discussing how christians suck.


I will be taking the position that christianity shaped science and politics in the western world, in america, that our freedom is largely derived from religious concerns.


I assume you will be taking the position that xians are the devil or something,



oh, and to those of you who thought this was about me and es, trolled, bitches.

My point is that simply because you call yourself a Christian doesn't mean you hold the high moral ground. Christianity does not confer on anyone any sort of moral wisdom. And Christians as a group are no more "good" than any other religious group or no religion at all. And that anyone that aspires to embrace an ethos of peace and harmony has much better choices than Christianity. Not based on what I say, but on the historical record.

You are welcome to take the side that Christians are perfect humans inspired by god. And they should have the final and complete say not only for themselves but for everybody else on the planet simply because they are god's chosen assholes on earth. I present Angukuk as an example of a god chosen asshole.

Good luck with it.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

oh, and to those of you who thought this was about me and es, trolled, bitches.

I will fucking destroy you.

show spoiler

/trolled

[Dingfod]

This is going to be a great relationship.

[beyelzu]

the threat of death and destruction keeps me on my toes.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

My point is that simply because you call yourself a Christian doesn't mean you hold the high moral ground. Christianity does not confer on anyone any sort of moral wisdom. And Christians as a group are no more "good" than any other religious group or no religion at all. And that anyone that aspires to embrace an ethos of peace and harmony has much better choices than Christianity. Not based on what I say, but on the historical record.

You are welcome to take the side that Christians are perfect humans inspired by god. And they should have the final and complete say not only for themselves but for everybody else on the planet simply because they are god's chosen assholes on earth. I present Angukuk as an example of a god chosen asshole.

Good luck with it.

burn, burn, burn the straw man.


lets go back to how christians cant lead a social movement cuz of the negative baggage of their name.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

burn, burn, burn the straw man.


lets go back to how christians cant lead a social movement cuz of the negative baggage of their name.

Never said that Christians could not lead a social movement, but they are just as likely to lead a harmful and violent movement as they are to lead a peaceful and benificial movement. I would contend that they are more likely to lead a harmful and violent movement than say Buddhists. But I certainly do not claim that Buddhists are perfect in this regard. Just many times better than Christians if you check the historical record.

And as a result there are better traditions to consider following if peace and harmony are your actual goals.

I see you concede the point about Angakuk.

[Qingdai]

What no kissy face?

I expected more kissy face content in this thread.

Or the lead post to say something like, "and wait for the divorce papers to be served notarized and filed, then goooing to get marrieeed in the traditional Klingon way."

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

the threat of death and destruction keeps me on my toes.

That's gotta limit your options a bit

[Adam]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I assume you will be taking the position that xians are the devil or something

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

You are welcome to take the side that Christians are perfect humans inspired by god.

This is the best debate evar.

[Dingfod]

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

Never said that Christians could not lead a social movement, but they are just as likely to lead a harmful and violent movement as they are to lead a peaceful and benificial movement. I would contend that they are more likely to lead a harmful and violent movement than say Buddhists. But I certainly do not claim that Buddhists are perfect in this regard. Just many times better than Christians if you check the historical record.

And as a result there are better traditions to consider following if peace and harmony are your actual goals.

I see you concede the point about Angakuk.

I do concede the ang point that arguing with you is like kicking a retarded cripple in the face.

[Demimonde]

Never said that Christians could not lead a social movement, but they are just as likely to lead a harmful and violent movement as they are to lead a peaceful and benificial movement.

Holy tautologies !!!!!

Here allow me:

They can still call themselves Christians but when they are talking about their social attidudes they could use a term that is much more descriptive and accurate. Hell calling yourself a Buddhist is less contentious in that regard than calling yourself a Christian. When was the last time you saw a Buddhist military soldier with some insignia claiming that Buddha was on their side? Christianity is just too fucked up to carry the water of a more noble social movement.

It's Shake 'n' Shake and aye healp'd

[Kael]

What's up with the Buddhism fap fest, NA? Recently discovered their philosophy? No, that can't be it, you hate all philosophy.

Seriously, though, can I have a dollar for every time you say 'Buddhist' or similar?

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I do concede the ang point that arguing with you is like kicking a retarded cripple in the face.

I'm sure you consider that a good argument in general retard or not.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by Kael

What's up with the Buddhism fap fest, NA? Recently discovered their philosophy? No, that can't be it, you hate all philosophy.

Seriously, though, can I have a dollar for every time you say 'Buddhist' or similar?

I have used the word "Christian" far more often. What's the matter, "Christian" doesn't count?

[beyelzu]

I might be a retard, but atleast I'm not a disingenuous fucktard

Originally Posted by some disingenuous fucktard

Christianity is just too fucked up to carry the water of a more noble social movement.

so you are right, you didn't say christians you said christianity,


hide behind your hairsplitting bigoted bullshit.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

I have used the word "Christian" far more often. What's the matter, "Christian" doesn't count?

why does the word christian in your mouth sound like the word nigger?

[Doctor X]

I would welcome a definition of the agreed upon principles of Christianity and upon what basis one decides on them.

--J.D.

[beyelzu]

and na, this thread is really to let you know, that you don't speak for me. I don't like dogmatic religions, i think christianity is often a bad thing, I am a metaphysical naturalist, but there are enough problems with religion without us making shit up and ignoring their accomplishments.


people like you use the no true scotsman as much as any bigoted fundy, you just use it in reverse. no matter how much a christian says shit like i mdoing this cuz of my religion you will insist that if the act is good they would do it anyway and if bad it is cuz of their religion.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Doctor X

I would welcome a definition of the agreed upon principles of Christianity and upon what basis one decides on them.

--J.D.

I go with a self identification model unless their beliefs clearly contradict certain central tenets such as there was a guy named jesus, he had some kickass teachings and people should lead their lives according to either the teachings of jesus or the teachings about jesus.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

Holy tautologies !!!!!

Here allow me:

It's Shake 'n' Shake and aye healp'd

Okay, where is the tautology? How does this statement make the claim that they can't lead a social movement?

Here is the thing, for a Christian to claim that somehow they are these great people because they led the social movement to free the slaves completely ignores that fact that it was Christians leading the social movement to own slaves in the first place. It is kinda like saying that the guys that saved the people in the burning building are just fabulous but ignore that they are the same people that set fire to the building in the first place. At best you could claim that Christians eventually figured out that slavery was a bad idea but Christian teachings were not actually good enough for them to avoid slavery in the first place.

This is what makes it very problamatical for Christians to claim that just being Christian gives you the moral high ground.

Put that in your tautology.