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07-30-2010, 01:50 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
Heh. Interesting how he pretends to remember it. Particularly funny is the "wilfully ignorant" part. There's a reason why he put me on ignore rather than the other way around. I wonder what his version of a few past discussions with Clutch Munny might be.
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07-30-2010, 02:53 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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Ah, no matter, I'm sure even with this knowledge you have imparted to me, Doctor X and I will get along...well, just fabulously.
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Knew I should have used a lubricant. . . .
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What a wonderfully telling fantasy.
I like you too!
Now that I have a second to further belabor the point...I decided to do a keyword search for "police" and "cops".
Lotsa entries to be sure.
Once again, threads and commentors are like "The police are always and forevah abusing law abiding citizens".
One particular thread did stand out amongst the vintage collection of anti-authoritarian angst.
It gave me pause to reconsider my perspective regarding the similarities in behavior between the here and there ~
National Police Week
Thanks for that, Warren, you're my friend.
And no/know, lisarea, I'm surely not mitigating the abuse and terror by interjecting a comparative analysis of goodness out of thin air...I am merely pointing out that if myopic tendencies are to be frowned upon "over there", we may need to...oh, alright I'll say it...recognize the beam in our own eye.
Off to the jungle.
Be a darling, Doctor X, and wish me luck.
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07-30-2010, 03:04 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
Can we nip this in the bud now? Before it gets tedious.
Yes, we are just the same. Police are there to help citizens, except when they don't.
Thank you for offering us this insight into ourselves.
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07-30-2010, 03:08 PM
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07-30-2010, 05:03 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
Ronin, let's flip this around then. What are you, as a LOE, doing to eliminate those brothers-in-blue that are abusing their authority and making you all look bad? How many of these incidents do you think would have been accurately described on police reports? What if there had there been no audio, video, or lawsuits?
Not very many that I have read have "other police officers whistleblowing" as the reason they are being investigated. If I saw that more, maybe I would trust the police to police their own...but right now I don't.
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07-30-2010, 05:12 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
Let's not flip this around - let's post more about the things to which this thread is dedicated. Frankly, if he were doing something, I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned it now - what he's doing is saying "Shhh", which is typical.
Please note:
ACLU Police Abuse page - no, they're not perfect but they're DOING something.
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07-30-2010, 05:38 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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Can we nip this in the bud now? Before it gets tedious.
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You're obviously not familiar with how the Free Thought Talk forum works.
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07-30-2010, 06:30 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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Can we nip this in the bud now? Before it gets tedious.
Yes, we are just the same. Police are there to help citizens, except when they don't.
Thank you for offering us this insight into ourselves.
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See, that's just how it ends up going south.
I was participating in this thread along with everyone else until I made one off handed comment regarding the assertion that "the other side" cannot ever believe that cops can be abusive due to their adoring myopia.
Then, the can began to get kicked around a bit, I was tasked to explain further and...when I do...it's "tedious" or somehow I'm a jerk for even bringing it up into the light of day.
To me, that's dogmatic, and the particular history is plain to see.
Hell, I've said my piece on the topic, take it or leave it.
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07-30-2010, 06:33 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
I still don't see any kicking around, calling you a jerk, etc. Merely disagreement, of a type extremely civil by Intarweb standards.
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07-30-2010, 06:35 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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Hell, I've said my piece on the topic, take it or leave it.
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Does that mean you're done?
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07-30-2010, 06:37 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
ES is a Hope-er!
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07-30-2010, 06:37 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
That's where you're wrong, the only dogma we have here is the face mauling kind. And the tedium isn't entirely one-sided. Lord knows, we're full of ourselves.
For me, it boils down to the fact that this thread was to detail police abuse. I mean, I suppose your saying "Hey, all you do in this thread is talk about police abuse" was supposed to be insightful, but frankly I thought it was kinda obvious.
And I can't believe you're in the least bit surprised by the reaction, sure you might blame it on herd mentality or group think or dogma. But, I mean, if you say "EVERYONE HERE IS JUST AS BLIND AS EVERYONE THERE"...well, you're gonna get a reaction from everyone.
How could it be otherwise?
Anyhoo, your point is taken, I guess. We talk about bad cops here in this thread, most of us have a largely negative opinion of cops...but, I counter that not a one of us believe that all cops everywhere are bad.
But, you knew that already, right?
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07-30-2010, 06:37 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
There is no "other side" Ronin. I simply have read multiple comments, over time, to the effect "If you don't break the law you never have to worry". As that is objectively false, I find those comments bothersome.
I saw and was bothered by similar comments, such as "You only have to worry if you are a terrorist", regarding government wiretapping and watch lists and other Patriot Act abuses.
Abuse of power should be and is a concern for everyone, pretending that it isn't or asserting that it shouldn't be, is a problem, to me.
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07-30-2010, 06:42 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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Ronin, let's flip this around then. What are you, as a LOE, doing to eliminate those brothers-in-blue that are abusing their authority and making you all look bad? How many of these incidents do you think would have been accurately described on police reports? What if there had there been no audio, video, or lawsuits?
Not very many that I have read have "other police officers whistleblowing" as the reason they are being investigated. If I saw that more, maybe I would trust the police to police their own...but right now I don't.
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I'm actually a bit surprised that you would have to ask actually.
Knowing me as you do, what would you think I am doing about it?
Did you read my first post?
I recommend a closer look.
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07-30-2010, 06:50 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
Okay sorry, I didn't know it was you at the time I read your first post and hadn't reread it to put 2+2 together.
My apologies.
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07-30-2010, 06:55 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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There is no "other side" Ronin. I simply have read multiple comments, over time, to the effect "If you don't break the law you never have to worry". As that is objectively false, I find those comments bothersome.
I saw and was bothered by similar comments, such as "You only have to worry if you are a terrorist", regarding government wiretapping and watch lists and other Patriot Act abuses.
Abuse of power should be and is a concern for everyone, pretending that it isn't or asserting that it shouldn't be, is a problem, to me.
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Sure it is...to me, too.
I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.
In fact, given a bit of examination, there is actually one here in this thread who is diligently involved in preventing abuses in real terms and dedicated to continue to do so.
So, yeah, I think that we all have a stake in how it all shakes out and that a rational, reasonable and factual approach to this social issue is tremendously important.
Looking back, I just want my friends to understand that a bit more and a bit more often is all.
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07-30-2010, 06:56 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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That's where you're wrong, the only dogma we have here is the face mauling kind.
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07-30-2010, 07:08 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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So this thread is never going to happen?
Get back to us when you make it . . . or do something constructive . . . or something funny. I do not know. Surprise us.
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07-30-2010, 07:12 PM
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Okay sorry, I didn't know it was you at the time I read your first post and hadn't reread it to put 2+2 together.
My apologies.
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Oh yeah, the chronology of perceptions and puzzles I began.
That was my fault, I didn't know we'd end up here.
No apology necessary for something beyond your span of control at the time.
Fresh start.
We're out here and we're working on it.
Carry on.
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07-30-2010, 07:15 PM
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So this thread is never going to happen?
Get back to us when you make it . . . or do something constructive . . . or something funny. I do not know. Surprise us.
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Where you been sporty spice, I started it five years ago.
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07-30-2010, 07:20 PM
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I really did not have a point to my original complaint.
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I know.
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07-30-2010, 07:21 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.
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Don't worry about that. Many of us realize that the "justice system" as presently constituted is working exactly as intended.
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07-30-2010, 07:27 PM
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Actually, Caligulette, that is the furthest from being accurate.
At this point I do kind of feel a bit like a Rabbi Police Chaplain guarding the door at Mel Gibson's divorce proceeding, though.
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07-30-2010, 07:33 PM
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Re: Official "FUCK THA POLICE" thread
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I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.
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Don't worry about that. Many of us realize that the "justice system" as presently constituted is working exactly as intended.
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Can you offer some alternatives?
Seriously, that isn't rhetoric or sarcasm, I'm sincerely interested.
What I see here in the assorted threads is a collective of years and years of complaints, very valid complaints, but no mission to provide and enact solutions.
My origin into this line of work began as a victim of police malfeasance and, as a result, now nearly two decades of doing all that one man can to make it better.
I am all ears.
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