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You're the one trying to make it look like some kind of conspiracy to hide the original data.
He said he would delete the data, the data is no longer is available.

You can twist it all you want with semantics, but the fact is the conclusions are not reproducible due to the data which no longer exists.
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So all climate science is nonproducible?

To be clear, your point about this data series is complete fucking garbage but to me the part of your bullshit argument which is the worst is that if even if your specific point is correct that these particular scientists are liars who faked data it would not follow that the whole field is wrong.


No one has reproduced cold fusion, many climatologists have produced models and data series showing warming.
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The historical data suggests that increases in temperature increases atmospheric CO2, and a lowering of temperature decreases CO2.
By historical data, do you mean the graph you clearly can't read?
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Old 05-31-2014, 01:55 AM
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So all climate science is nonproducible?
No, listen, here is what it is.

There were real temperatures taken from around the world using temperature measuring instruments.

Those temperatures were 'adjusted' to give us the predictions of soon coming calamity.

The real temperatures no longer exist, therefore there is no way to peer review the methodology which comes up with the conclusions of calamity.
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Computer models based on "adjusted" temperatures, GIGO.
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So all climate science is nonproducible?
No, listen, here is what it is.

There were real temperatures taken from around the world using temperature measuring instruments.

Those temperatures were 'adjusted' to give us the predictions of soon coming calamity.

The real temperatures no longer exist, therefore there is no way to peer review the methodology which comes up with the conclusions of calamity.
:lol: you really have no clue what you're talking about

FWIW the original instrumental readings from my country are available here. You'll find the same for rest of the world if you look around and ask for it, although as pointed out by others, IP restrictions might mean you have to jump through a few hoops for some of it.
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So all climate science is nonproducible?
No, listen, here is what it is.

There were real temperatures taken from around the world using temperature measuring instruments.

Those temperatures were 'adjusted' to give us the predictions of soon coming calamity.

The real temperatures no longer exist, therefore there is no way to peer review the methodology which comes up with the conclusions of calamity.
Are all the peer reviewed articles lies?
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Are all the peer reviewed articles lies?
Of course not.

But if we really don't have the original real data for half of our data set, that 130 year time period that we are only looking at .. can you really not see the nonsense?
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Computer models based on "adjusted" temperatures, GIGO.
Please show me a data set which was improperly adjusted and why you think it was adjusted in an upward way. Note half remembered speeches from 20yrs ago do not count.
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FWIW the original instrumental readings from my country are available here.
Log in and present the directly measured temperature data collected in 1892.
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Please show me a data set which was improperly adjusted
That can't be done because the original data is not available.
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No original data from any of the hundreds or thousands of climate papers are available?


Bullshit.
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Computer models based on "adjusted" temperatures, GIGO.
Please show me a data set which was improperly adjusted and why you think it was adjusted in an upward way. Note half remembered speeches from 20yrs ago do not count.
For what it's worth, Jerome's post #1029.
FYI, I don't give it much credit, just making a funny.
BTY, no-one else said 'adjusted upward'. Where did that come from?
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FWIW the original instrumental readings from my country are available here.
Log in and present the directly measured temperature data collected in 1892.
I ought to say "no u" since registration is free & easy.

But I logged in anyway and easily found 1892 max & min temps for the Leith Valley station (station ID 5380). I'm not going to repost the data here because that would be against the T&Cs of both the CliFlo site and FF ( CliFlo Terms and Conditions ):
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2.4 it shall not use the Data to host all, or part(s), of any database via a non-NIWA website unless the Recipient receives NIWA's express written permission (through the General Manager of Environmental Information).
I don't expect Jerome to actually have the intellectual honesty to take the ten minutes to test his assertion, but anyone else reading this can go and check for themselves.
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Only in climate science are temperature readings considered intellectually property.

Fuck peer review, we don't need that for this science. Climate is special science and temperatures are secret information!
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From what I can tell CliFlo was created in 1992. How is it they own the temperature data collected in 1892?

It seems this is a crown owed corporation. Is that private or public?
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They collect $120 million in revenue, where does that money come from?
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Why are we doing your research for you?
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lol I think Jerry has me on [ignore] ...

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Please show me a data set which was improperly adjusted
That can't be done because the original data is not available.
Precisely! The Climate Sceptics' argument appears to be this: that the so-called "hockey stick" can't be checked, because the raw data is unavailable*, and because it cannot be checked, AGW is not true, and further, because it cannot be checked, AGW is a conspiracy (ie. "OMG! Climategate!!!" lol).

Whereas, all you have is "We say it's a conspiracy, but we have no evidence for that, so we will say it's the other side's fault we have no evidence, and that's conclusive evidence."

Er ... no, no evidence of an AGW conspiracy is no evidence. No evidence of errors is no evidence. There is no evidence to support the sceptics' position.


* it is available, but you might have to ask :glarepoland: if you want the complete set.
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I happen to be privy to one of the few, precious, closely guarded remaining caches of UNADJUSTED and UNDELETED TEMPERATURE DATA!!!! (whoa)


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FWIW the original instrumental readings from my country are available here. You'll find the same for rest of the world if you look around and ask for it, although as pointed out by others, IP restrictions might mean you have to jump through a few hoops for some of it.

But don't you understand that jumping through hoops is just too much to ask, especially if it's information that you don't want to know.

BTW, does anyone else here know the term Sarcasm, Irony, or left handed complement?

And before someone jumps on me for making light of a serious topic, it is mostly you guys responding to Jerome's posts.
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I happen to be privy to one of the few, precious, closely guarded remaining caches of UNADJUSTED and UNDELETED TEMPERATURE DATA!!!! (whoa)


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That's just mean. :glare:
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as Thumper's father told him "If you can't say sumthin' nice, say sumthin' funny."
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I happen to be privy to one of the few, precious, closely guarded remaining caches of UNADJUSTED and UNDELETED TEMPERATURE DATA!!!! (whoa)

:yup:
Where is the 100 years before that?

Where is the worldwide data?
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Computer models based on "adjusted" temperatures, GIGO.
Please show me a data set which was improperly adjusted and why you think it was adjusted in an upward way. Note half remembered speeches from 20yrs ago do not count.
For what it's worth, Jerome's post #1029.
FYI, I don't give it much credit, just making a funny.
BTY, no-one else said 'adjusted upward'. Where did that come from?
If you are engaging in agw denial proof of scientists faking data to show lower temperatures would not prove your point that they are lying that agw is occurring.
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