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Old 03-30-2018, 10:18 PM
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Chuck, this is one time peacegirl might have linked to something that is somewhat correct:

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specious, you are right! I was looking at the mortality data - the article referred to incidence data. peacegirl, I apologize - I was wrong!
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:55 PM
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Don't these people know the difference between causation and correlation?
What difference?
"So yes correlation = causation until proven otherwise."
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Personally, I wish we could get off this vaccine stuff, which is clearly an Illuminati-manufactured distraction, and talk more about how orbs are creating fake plane holograms that are poisoning our sky with chemtrails.
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When we last checked in on anti-vax hero Donald Trump, he was appointing staunch pro-vaxxers like Drs. Scott Gottlieb, Jerome Adams and Brenda Fitzgerald - along with former Big Pharma exec Alex Azar - to the highest ranking health-related government jobs in the United States.

Undaunted, and utterly unwilling to admit that Trump trolled the shit out of their dumb asses, anti-vaxxers rejoiced when Fitzgerald resigned as CDC Director amidst allegations of ethical/financial impropriety. That, anti-vaxxers believed, would give Trump a chance to make up for what were surely just a lot of good-faith mistakes in past health-related government appointments.

The new Trump-appointed CDC Director is Dr. Robert Redfield. Surely this new guy is an anti-vaxxer, right? Well, maybe not. In fact, this dude loves vaccines so much that he was accused of manipulating data and overstating positive results in connection with clinical trials for an experimental HIV vaccine in the 1990s. The U.S. Army, Redfield's employer at the time, conducted an investigation and cleared him of any wrongdoing, but anti-vax celebrities like fraudulent quack and peacegirl deity Sherri Tenpenny are apoplectic over the choice.

But stay the course, anti-vaxxers. Trump is one of you. He totally did not troll you, and the course of actual events by no means demonstrates that you are stupid and gullible. Having a POTUS who announces publicly that there are some "very fine people" among white supremacists and neo-Nazis is a small price to pay for having such a dedicated anti-vaxxer in the White House.

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When we last checked in on anti-vax hero Donald Trump, he was appointing staunch pro-vaxxers like Drs. Scott Gottlieb, Jerome Adams and Brenda Fitzgerald - along with former Big Pharma exec Alex Azar - to the highest ranking health-related government jobs in the United States.

Undaunted, and utterly unwilling to admit that Trump trolled the shit out of their dumb asses, anti-vaxxers rejoiced when Fitzgerald resigned as CDC Director amidst allegations of ethical/financial impropriety. That, anti-vaxxers believed, would give Trump a chance to make up for what were surely just a lot of good-faith mistakes in past health-related government appointments.

The new Trump-appointed CDC Director is Dr. Robert Redfield. Surely this new guy is an anti-vaxxer, right? Well, maybe not. In fact, this dude loves vaccines so much that he was accused of manipulating data and overstating positive results in connection with clinical trials for an experimental HIV vaccine in the 1990s. The U.S. Army, Redfield's employer at the time, conducted an investigation and cleared him of any wrongdoing, but anti-vax celebrities like fraudulent quack and peacegirl deity Sherri Tenpenny are apoplectic over the choice.

But stay the course, anti-vaxxers. Trump is one of you. He totally did not troll you, and the course of actual events by no means demonstrates that you are stupid and gullible. Having a POTUS who announces publicly that there are some "very fine people" among white supremacists and neo-Nazis is a small price to pay for having such a dedicated anti-vaxxer in the White House.

Complete deflection! Good going Maturin! :laugh:
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Don't these people know the difference between causation and correlation? How dare they hint of an association between vaccines and childhood cancer, those fearmongerers? Don't they know that vaccines are the best thing since motherhood and apple pie? :giggle:
Very astutely observed, now they just need to try again without the upside-down glasses.

UAB - School of Medicine - News - HPV vaccine significantly lowers rate of second cancer for childhood cancer survivors

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“The HPV vaccine is an important tool to help us keep young cancer survivors safe because it significantly lowers the risk of developing HPV-associated cancers in the future,” said first author and co-principal investigator James Klosky, Ph.D., an associate member of the St. Jude Department of Psychology. “So, we were concerned to find vaccination rates were significantly lower for survivors of childhood cancer compared to their peers.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21227448

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Children born in counties with higher hepatitis B vaccine coverage had lower odds of all cancers combined (OR = 0.81, 95% CI: 0.67 to 0.98) and acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) specifically (OR = 0.63, 95% CI: 0.46 to 0.88). A decreased odds for ALL also was associated at the county level with higher rates of the inactivated poliovirus vaccine (OR = 0.67, 95% CI: 0.49 to 0.92) and 4-3-1-3-3 vaccination series (OR = 0.62, 95% CI: 0.44 to 0.87). Children born in public health regions with higher coverage levels of the Haemophilus influenzae type b-conjugate vaccine had lower odds of ALL (OR: 0.58; 95% CI: 0.42 to 0.82).
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Some common childhood vaccines appear to be protective against ALL at the population level.
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And you call these studies conclusive? I guess when it's convenient for you correlation = causation. :giggle: Based on these generalizations, may I ask if you are up to date on all of your vaccines? Are you so confident that you have to go no further than to trust the CDC for all of your answers, and if so, are your children up to date on all of their vaccines? If not, why not? Surprisingly, many doctors don't go by the vaccine schedule for their own children. How could that be if vaccines are so wonderful? :chin:

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Does Gardasil Actually Increase Your Risk of Cervical Cancer?
According to information the manufacturer of Gardasil, a vaccine against human papillomavirus, presented to the FDA prior to approval, if a person has already been exposed to HPV 16 or 18 prior to injection, then Gardasil increases the risk of precancerous lesions, or worse, by 44.6 percent.

This information is not advertised, and the FDA has not recommended screening for HPV prior to vaccination. The FDA did not even demand that a warning be included in the package insert.

According to Examiner.com:

"Now, Merck's research is indicating that Gardasil may also 'provide cross-protection' against other strains of HPV that are closely related to HPV 16 and 18 ... This means prior exposure to these additional strains may pose an increased risk for cervical cancer also, if combined with vaccination."

Dr. Mercola's Comments:

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Gardasil Can INCREASE Your Risk of Precancerous Lesions, or Worse

However, a growing number of health professionals, including the director of gynecology at a New York hospital, not only are backing off giving it to their female patients, but are choosing not to give it to their own daughters.

And based on information straight from the horse's mouth – Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil – I can clearly say that these doctors are doing the responsible thing.

As the Examiner points out, information from Merck presented to the FDA prior to approval states that "if you have been exposed to HPV 16 or 18 prior to injection and take the vaccine, you increase your risk of precancerous lesions, or worse, by 44.6%"

cont. at: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...al-cancer.aspx
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They consist of astute observation and sound reasoning.

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The science is far from settled unlike the scientific proof of determinism. :yup:
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March 31, 2018

Neuropathologist Doctor: I Believed in Shaken Baby Syndrome until Science Showed I was Wrong

by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News


Dr. Waney Squier is a renowned British pediatric neuropathologist and considered the UK’s leading scientist in the field of pediatric neuropathology.

Dr. Squier has worked as a consultant at the John Radcliffe Hospital for 32 years.

Until 16 years ago, she vehemently supported and adhered to the mainstream belief that when a medical professional suspects that an infant has been violently shaken, they must examine the baby for the “triad” of injuries believed to be associated with shaken baby syndrome (SBS).

However, after examining the science behind SBS, Dr. Squier changed her opinion of SBS, and went from being a doctor who testified against parents and others who were accused of shaking their babies and injuring or killing them, to being a doctor who defended such parents and caregivers by offering other medical evidence that could explain such evidence apart from “shaking.”

As a result, her peers in the medical field attacked her, and in March of 2016 the UK General Medical Council (GMC) found Dr. Waney Squier guilty of “misleading her peers, being irresponsible, dishonest and bringing the reputation of the medical profession into disrepute” and she was “struck off the medical register” which prevented her from practicing medicine.

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World Renowned Neuropathologist has Career Destroyed for Disproving Shaken Baby Syndrome

However, over 350 doctors, scientists and lawyers rallied together in her support, and in an unprecedented move they sent a letter of protest to the British Medical Journal (BMJ), questioning the GMC’s decision.

As a result, in October 2016, Dr. Waney Squier won her appeal and was reinstated. However, although Dr. Squier’s name was returned to the medical register, she has been prevented from giving evidence as an expert witness for another three years, which many believe was her punishment for standing up to the establishment.

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Dr. Squier Wins Appeal but Banned from Telling the Truth in Court about Shaken Baby Syndrome
Dr. Waney Squier gave a TedX talk in November 2017 at Wadsworth, and it is now available on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=O5FyTFs7P7U

In the opening of the talk, Dr. Squier relates the story of how a young mother was wrongly convicted of shaking her baby and killing him, in part due to her own testimony against her, but later her conviction was overturned as she was found innocent. But by then she had lost both her children (one died, the other was adopted out) and her husband (divorced her) due to having to spend time in prison.

But as a pediatric neuropathologist, she began to study the brains of babies. She found major flaws with the SBS hypothesis, which she says has incarcerated thousands of parents.

cont. at: Neuropathologist Doctor: I Believed in Shaken Baby Syndrome until Science Showed I was Wrong
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And you call these studies conclusive?
They consist of astute observation and sound reasoning.

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The science is far from settled unlike the scientific proof of determinism. :yup:
And the scientific proof of chemtrailing orbs and plane holograms.

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These accounts of mothers' observations mean nothing. There is no proof that the HPV vaccine had caused these girls to into early menopause, have seizures, fainting spells, become paralyzed, or die. :angry:

March 31, 2018

New Documentary Reveals Gardasil HPV Vaccine Fraud


The Alliance for Natural Health, USA division, has just published a new documentary film on the HPV vaccine titled: Manufactured Crisis: HPV, Hype & Horror.

The synopsis of the film states:

The pharmaceutical industry used faulty research, paid doctors and manipulated the media to push an unsafe vaccine onto the market.

They used political pressure to force this vaccine onto the public, despite any demonstrable public threat.

The result has been the devastation of many young girls’ lives.

Through interviews with leading experts, victims, and our own analysis of the vaccines themselves, the Alliance for Natural Health uncovered a conspiracy of greed that is being perpetrated on families around the world.

Manufactured Crisis - HPV, Hype & Horror - YouTube


Trine Larson - YouTube

Valencia Spain - YouTube


The Herith Family - YouTube

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Ah, you are back into random shitposting mode. Cancer, child murderers, and now HPV again. Can't you stay on one topic?
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Ah, you are back into random shitposting mode. Cancer, child murderers, and now HPV again. Can't you stay on one topic?
You were the one that brought up the benefits of HPV when the article about childhood cancer was not directed at gardasil specifically (it was about vaccines in general that could be leading to more childhood cancers), but that's where you took it. So don't put the blame on me for going off onto a tangent. :rolleyes: That being said, discussion about vaccines is broad and I'm entitled to go in any direction I choose. What I don't like is when people use a phony tactic to divert attention away from the topic at hand so that they don't have to address what is being discussed. That is something entirely different.

FEBRUARY 28, 2018
Childhood Cancers, Autism and Environmental Toxins

By the World Mercury Project Team


The incidence of childhood cancers has been steadily rising for several decades, to such an extent that cancers in young people now have their very own day in the limelight: International Childhood Cancer Day (February 15). For American children ages one through 14, cancer is the top disease-related cause of death, second only to accidents among all causes of childhood mortality. Leukemia and malignancies of the central nervous system are the most common types of childhood cancers.

A recent opinion piece in The Hill points out that autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) have increased in lockstep with pediatric cancers. One in thirty-six (2.76%) children aged three-17 had an ASD diagnosis as of 2016, compared to one in 10,000 children in the 1970s. The parallel rise in the two conditions is not a fluke—environmental toxins are widely known to “initiate or aggravate various neurological disorders [and] carcinomas.” Although the National Cancer Institute (NCI) views environmental causes of childhood cancers as “difficult to identify,” one route of exposure to heavy metals and other toxic substances that begins prenatally and continues through adolescence is sitting in plain sight: the bloated U.S. vaccine schedule.

How autism and cancer overlap

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That being said, discussion about vaccines is broad and I'm entitled to go in any direction I choose.
That stuff about the quack neurologist and shaken baby syndrome had nothing to do with vaccines. She claimed they were household accidents.
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And you call these studies conclusive?
They consist of astute observation and sound reasoning.

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The science is far from settled unlike the scientific proof of determinism. :yup:
The scientific "proof" is of indeterminism, you ignorant twat.

Also, science does not deal in "proofs" in any case, as has been explained to your Swiss cheese simulacrum of a brain about one million fucking times.
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They consist of astute observation and sound reasoning.

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The science is far from settled unlike the scientific proof of determinism. :yup:
The scientific "proof" is of indeterminism, you ignorant twat.

Also, science does not deal in "proofs" in any case, as has been explained to your Swiss cheese simulacrum of a brain about one million fucking times.
Science deals in theory until something is proven valid and sound or we would never make any scientific progress. You deny this just so you can be content living with your delusions. :laugh:
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... or what the word "theory" means.
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Love Mike Adam's forthrightness! :kiss:

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Listened to the first minute:

Facebook & YouTube are evil and basically communist China. :fuckyeah:

Where are you going to do your research now, peacegirl?
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Love Mike Adam's forthrightness! :kiss:
Have you tried that natural health advice and stared into the Sun? You should send this nutjob some of your taxpayer money.
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Have you tried that natural health advice and stared into the Sun? You should send this nutjob some of your taxpayer money.
There are probably bad therapies in alternative medicine just like in allopathic medicine. If someone believes there are benefits and gives the reasons why, then it is up to each person to decide for himself whether a particular protocol is worth trying. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head. There are no mandatory rules that threaten a person if they don't try a particular therapy. I never said that Mike Adam's ideas are always correct. I don't know what his ideas are on everything that he talks about. What I do know is that, for the most part, he makes a lot of sense and if something sounds interesting, I would look into it further to see if helps a particular condition. Would I put bleach of my child's butt, nooooo. In your effort to demonize him, you will never agree to anything he says, right or wrong. He is your nemesis, period. So is Joe Mercola. You have made them your imaginary enemies, therefore you are compelled to do what you're doing. But you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and it is your loss because you aren't learning anything other than the disease paradigm of drugs, surgery, and vaccines as the only way to keep people healthy. :sadcheer:

There are good and bad in everything. Do you think a child having ongoing febrile seizures is good for the brain? The doctor will say it's normal after vaccination for a child to scream at the top of his lungs with a high fever. You don't want to hear of the dangers but it's important to know all sides of an issue so you, if you're a parent, can make an informed choice. How many children have been left with permanent damage after the pertussis shot? Face the facts. That being said I also agree that many bogus treatments in alternative medicine have been shot down, for good reason. If I had a serious illness that required aggressive treatment, I would try something that had very few side-effects (and had been shown to have some good results) before trying a harsher treatment. This could cause a delay in the more conventional treatment of chemo and radiation (which may or may not save my life), but that would be my choice. You are entitled to yours.

The Most Common Frauds of Alternative Medicine - The Health Wyze Report
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That being said, discussion about vaccines is broad and I'm entitled to go in any direction I choose.
That stuff about the quack neurologist and shaken baby syndrome had nothing to do with vaccines. She claimed they were household accidents.
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Is there anyone, anywhere on the planet, stupider than peacegirl?

Nah, of course not.
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Default Re: Parents, do your due diligence on vaccination! There are serious risks!!

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And you call these studies conclusive?
They consist of astute observation and sound reasoning.

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The science is far from settled unlike the scientific proof of determinism. :yup:
The scientific "proof" is of indeterminism, you ignorant twat.

Also, science does not deal in "proofs" in any case, as has been explained to your Swiss cheese simulacrum of a brain about one million fucking times.
It is a scientific fact that you are an idiot. :biglaugh:

Indeterminism simply means that not all events that happen have a cause. Some events simply happen without anything leading to them. Those events are sometimes called uncaused, acausal, non-caused, or not caused events. The term I prefer is “acausal”, but any of these will do the trick.

I don’t like to use certain terms such as random or spontaneous unless they are absolutely necessary. Such terms have ambiguous meanings, some of which don’t mean the same thing as being “acausal”. For example, some might consider a roll of dice to be “random” simply because we don’t know what the outcome will be. Such, however, isn’t truly random in the acausal sense. Technically the dice being thrown a specific way, the air, the gravity, the ground it lands on, the weight of the dice themselves, and so on… are all causal factors that output the results of the dice. If you’ve read the article on determinism you’d see that determinism doesn’t imply predictability. The use of the word “random” in the sense of dice being rolled can happen in an entirely deterministic (causal) universe. A word like “acausal”, however, is clear. There is no confusing such a word. If an event is acausal, there is no cause for the event.

If we were to say “The Universe is Indeterministic”, it would mean that at least some of the events that happen in the universe just happen with no other existing factor forcing them. Indeterminism does not mean all events are like this – another common confusion people make. A mix of causal events and acausal events would be considered “indeterministic”. In fact, if there are just one or two acausal events in the universe, such possibilities means that the universe is “indeterministic”. It simply means that the universe is not entirely causal.

It’s important to note that we simply don’t know if the universe is deterministic or indeterministic. Some people who quote Quantum Mechanics make the claim that such proves the universe is indeterministic. They are wrong. It all depends on the Quantum Interpretation the person is subscribing to.

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An indeterministic interpretation that assumes acausal events happen, have to contend with what it means to say that an event has no cause. I go much deeper into this within my book, but there are problems that need to be addressed when an event simply cannot have any spacial or temporal determinacy (which means it could happen anywhere, at anytime, or never). That’s not to say that a deterministic universe wouldn’t have troubling counter-intuitiveness built in as well (e.g. non-local hidden variables, decoherence, etc.).

What’s important, and what I stress, is that even if such an indeterministic universe existed, any acausal events that occur could not help free will. They would be every bit incompatible, and in fact, it is more likely to make things much worse to any creature in which an acausal event happens for the process of a decision. At best, if the acausal event just happens to produces the same results a causal event would, such would be benign.

https://breakingthefreewillillusion....indeterminism/
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