A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Here, I described the "two-sided equation" using a direct quote from the Corrupted Text ("I must hold myself accountable for harm I know you must excuse"). Here, peacegirl expressly disagrees with her own Corrupted Text ("This has nothing to do with 'must'. This is a phenomenon that neither you or anyone else can get past").

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The first sentence is wrong. That's how bad your summary is.

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Reject my text all you want. Why do you keep repeating what I am in agreement with?

peacegirl, I am glad you agree that I am the True Steward of the Authentic Text and that you hawk your Corrupted Text online for lucre. If it upsets you to see this, peacegirl, you should probably put me on ignore - like you have lied about doing all those times before, sometimes for as much as several hours!

However, labeling the #TrueSteward as a loon merely because he loves the Authentic Text is, of course, a form of bullying. THOU SHALL NOT BLAME, peacegirl. Thou shall not blame.

How hatefully you reject the Authentic Text, peacegirl.

[Florence Jellem]

Flo has drafted a letter to our new president. See what you boys think before I send it.

Dear Mr. President Donald J. Trump the First, King of America:

Greetings and salutations from your loyal subject and noble servant, Florence Jellem. You may call me Flo.

I compose this missive with respect to a matter of utmost gravitas. I hope you will stamp it “Top Secret” and not put it on your private server so as not to let it fall into wrong or nefarious hands.

I am in awareness of a book that contains a set of mathematically undeniable truths for bringing about whirled peas. As a Professor Emeritus of Home Economics at Chester Alan Arthur Junior High School, I can assure you that achieving whirled peas is a worthy objective. Whirled Peas are delicious and nutritious for you too.

The book is called “Juicy Cunt.” It contains passages about juicy cunts and “precious, precious cunts,” and about biting them too. There is also a passage called Parable of the Breasts. I am now sure that you are keenly interested in this book.

But be ye ware! There is a corrupted version of the text floating about; it is being sold on the Internet for filthy lucre by its Unscrupulous Corrupter. Once you have established a secure line of communications with Flo, I will tell you how to obtain the Authentic Text from its True Steward.

If you do respond affirmatively to this message within 30 days, the Free Thought Talk Forum and Chat Emporium will be compelled of its own free will to bring a a Civil Suit against you in a Court of Law

Yours in awe and admiration,
Florence Jellem, irreducibly complex.

[Stephen Maturin]

Well, Ima call it a day, folks. We made serious progress toward the 1999 party, goaded peacegirl into abandoning yet another "goodbye forever, ", further exposed peacegirl as a lying corrupter, and advanced the Authentic Text at the expense of the vile and fraudulent Corrupted Text. A good day, all in all.

[ChuckF]

g'night Maturin! Y'all have a nice weekend.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Florence Jellem

Flo has drafted a letter to our new president. See what you boys think before I send it.

Dear Mr. President Donald J. Trump the First, King of America:

Greetings and salutations from your loyal subject and noble servant, Florence Jellem. You may call me Flo.

I compose this missive with respect to a matter of utmost gravitas. I hope you will stamp it “Top Secret” and not put it on your private server so as not to let it fall into wrong or nefarious hands.

I am in awareness of a book that contains a set of mathematically undeniable truths for bringing about whirled peas. As a Professor Emeritus of Home Economics at Chester Alan Arthur Junior High School, I can assure you that achieving whirled peas is a worthy objective. Whirled Peas are delicious and nutritious for you too.

The book is called “Juicy Cunt.” It contains passages about juicy cunts and “precious, precious cunts,” and about biting them too. There is also a passage called Parable of the Breasts. I am now sure that you are keenly interested in this book.

But be ye ware! There is a corrupted version of the text floating about; it is being sold on the Internet for filthy lucre by its Unscrupulous Corrupter. Once you have established a secure line of communications with Flo, I will tell you how to obtain the Authentic Text from its True Steward.

If you do respond affirmatively to this message within 30 days, the Free Thought Talk Forum and Chat Emporium will be compelled of its own free will to bring a a Civil Suit against you in a Court of Law

Yours in awe and admiration,
Florence Jellem, irreducibly complex.

This is very good, but you may wish to add a note that the Corrupted Text doesn't even include the bits about juicy cunts and prescious, prescious (sic) cunts. (...It doesn't, right?)

Also, good night, Maturin.

[Angakuk]

I believe that there ought to be a "not" in that last paragraph sandwiched in between "do" and "respond". Other than that it is a pretty good letter. Especially for a senile, booze addled, old broad like yourself.

[peacegirl]

Nothing any of you can say, no matter how misleading, will be able to stop this new world from becoming a reality.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this book from being recognized as the most important discovery of our times because of its ability to bring peace to our troubled planet.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this knowledge from coming to light in due time.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Nothing any of you can say, no matter how misleading, will be able to stop this new world from becoming a reality.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this book from being recognized as the most important discovery of our times because of its ability to bring peace to our troubled planet.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this knowledge from coming to light in due time.

All that is very true, nothing any of us say can have much effect on how the world perceives the book. As long as Peacegirl remains stuck on forums like this with very little exposure to the world, feeding her martyr complex with the abuse she receives here, the world will take little notice of the book or it's contents. The broader the exposure of the book to the world, the more the book itself will destroy any chance of any of these concepts becoming reality. The sooner Peacegirl broadens the exposure of her fathers book to the world, the sooner Lessans will become the laughing stock of the world.

I should add that so far, anyone who I have told about the ideas of Peacegirl and her father, just roll their eyes in disbelief that anyone could believe such nonsense.

[ChuckF]

peacegirl, nothing you can say, no matter how misleading, will be able to cure your Corruptions in your Corrupted Text, or make your Corrupted Text legitimate.

Nothing you can say can stop me being recognized as the True Steward of the Authentic Text, because of my ability to protect the Authentic Text from the Corruptions of your Corrupted Text that you hawk online for lucre ($41.00!!!).

peacegirl, your Corrupted Text will be compelled to fall by the wayside -- in due time.

peacegirl, I did as you suggested, and took a poll to see how many people recognize me as the True Steward of the Authentic Text. You will find that over 95% of respondents recognize me as the True Steward of the Authentic Text. This is because I am the True Steward of the Authentic Text, just as 3 is to 6 as 4 is to 8; it is a mathematical and undeniable truth. The less than 5% of respondents who do not recognize me as True Steward of the Authentic Text will, of course, be compelled to fall by the wayside -- in due time. peacegirl, I see that you have not voted in the poll that you suggested. peacegirl, does your conscience not allow you to deny that I am the True Steward of the Authentic Text (because my #TrueStewardship is mathematical and undeniable)?

[Florence Jellem]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

I believe that there ought to be a "not" in that last paragraph sandwiched in between "do" and "respond". Other than that it is a pretty good letter. Especially for a senile, booze addled, old broad like yourself.

Nice catch, dear, Flo will fix that.

Peacegirl, dear, you seem like a nice enough demented harridan, so let Flo, who is your elder, give you a bit of practical advice. Our ancestors thought that the world was flat (at least according to Seymour Lessans in the Corrupted Text), and it was not until they opened the door marked “the world is round” and thoroughly investigated what was in the Round Room that they discovered the truth that enabled Man to eventually fly to the moon. Similarly, until you open the door marked “ChuckF is the True Steward of the Authentic Text,” and thoroughly investigate the contents of the #TrueStewardship Room, you too shall continue to flail and flounder about in the disgraceful darkness of ignorance.

[Florence Jellem]

I might add, dear, that part of one’s role as a True Steward of a text is to engage in literary exegesis of it, as ChuckF is doing with the Authentic Text. You, on the other hand, are utterly incapable of exegesis of the Corrupted Text, primarily because you have Corrupted it, but also because of your drab literal-mindedness. Take this issue of light and sight. Mr. Lessans wrote that if God turned on the sun at noon, we would have to wait eight minutes to see it. You yourself changed that to say we would see the sun instantly, and for the past five and a half years here, and more than a decade on various fora, you have been incompetently defending this “instant seeing” whereas the author of the Authentic Text never wrote any such thing. It is true that he seems to have further written that after the light arrives it would sort of hang around, like molecules of gas, to smile on us in the morning and suchlike. Of course, this is wrong, taken literally; but I am increasingly convinced, because of Chuck’s scholarly exegesis of other portions of the text, that we are obliged to penetrate the surface of his words to see more deeply into his ultimate meaning. Flo is now convinced that this entire light and sight thing was intended as a metaphor – the Sun of Enlightenment. And indeed, when we are Enlightened, the light does hang around, no matter how long it takes for the light to “arrive” and enlighten us; for when we are Enlightened, the Darkness is banished forever. You really could learn about your father’s work from ChuckF.

[ChuckF]

Flo has put her elderly yet dainty finger - the deconstructionist challenge to the reader that animates the Authentic Text's reductionist themes. Light and dark; male and female; time and instantaneity; living and dead; new and old. The Messiah in his words (remember: WORDS, NOT REALITY) builds a narrative of opposing truths, but thematically pulls his interlocutors into the penumbral vale of intermediate values. This is the transition; the molecules of light travel and there is delay, but there is not; the germinal substance is the thread that binds the living and the dead; the mutilated infant's glucose drips drips drips away in perpetual darkness but the desire of the eyes to focus is illuminated.

And we humans, like the vicious dog focusing on shadows of our Master's face, have so long escaped understanding our master's true face.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

The first sentence is wrong. That's how bad your summary is.

peacegirl, there is no "[my] summary." Once again, peacegirl, the sentence you're describing as "wrong" is a direct quote from your own Corrupted Text! You disagreed with your own Corrupted Text earlier in this thread and your doing it again now.

So, peacegirl, what's the explanation for your latest blunder? Was it the alcohol taking its cruel and remorseless physical toll on your brain, generating yet another mental reset?

Was it just another brazen lie? After all, you've said that lying is A-OK if it suits your purposes.

Or perhaps Something Else Is Going OnTM. peacegirl, are you finally coming around to the basic truth that the Corrupted Text itself is in fact "wrong" (in multiple senses)? Perhaps reading ChuckF's posts is having a positive effect, despite your hysterical resistance. After all, the siren song of True Stewardship is a potent force.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

peacegirl, I did as you suggested, and took a poll to see how many people recognize me as the True Steward of the Authentic Text.

Wow. The people have spoken. The issue of who is the True Steward (of course, that was never really an issue) is conclusively resolved.

[Florence Jellem]

Just in the last hour or two, boys, Flo has experienced an ‘ah-hah!” Moment.

Much like the author of the Authentic Text himself, I leapt up on my arthritic feet attached to my bandy legs and screeched: “Eureka! I have found it!” In so doing I spilled my whiskey and scared the Dickens out of my Manchester terrier, Adolf. But it was worth it. I have plenty more whiskey in the liquor cabinet.

I have discovered the very fulcrum of the text upon which the rest of the work pivots like a lever in an experiment to test whether dogs can recognize their masters by sight alone.

Regrettably but predictably, this thematic and literary sine qua non was redacted from the text by You Know Who

In due course I shall present my findings.* For now I must pry the jaws of Adolf from around the ankle of the mailman.

*I shall offer a hint: The key to this discovery lies locked behind the door marked “My Penis Is Like a Phallic Symbol.”

[Florence Jellem]

With what one of my ex-husbands called my “soricine claws,” Flo has just extracted the tiny but avid jaws of Adolf — bristling with alligator-like teeth — from around the ankle of the mailman. Unfortunately it appears there may be something in the way of a severed Achilles tendon here, and it looks as if the police could become involved. There are sirens. So Flo may be temporarily indisposed before mounting further exegesis.

Incidentally, boys, when I had my Eureka moment, I resolved to call up Will Durant on the telephone and tell him off. But then I used that nice Google and discovered that Durant has been dead for some 36 years. If only I could find out who he is now, after the Germinal Substance jizzed him back into this vale of tears.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

peacegirl, there is no "[my] summary." Once again, peacegirl, the sentence you're describing as "wrong" is a direct quote from your own Corrupted Text! You disagreed with your own Corrupted Text earlier in this thread and your doing it again now.

So, peacegirl, what's the explanation for your latest blunder? Was it the alcohol taking its cruel and remorseless physical toll on your brain, generating yet another mental reset?

Was it just another brazen lie? After all, you've said that lying is A-OK if it suits your purposes.

Or perhaps Something Else Is Going OnTM. peacegirl, are you finally coming around to the basic truth that the Corrupted Text itself is in fact "wrong" (in multiple senses)? Perhaps reading ChuckF's posts is having a positive effect, despite your hysterical resistance. After all, the siren song of True Stewardship is a potent force.

You got confused in the middle of your summary. I remember when you asked me a question regarding what happens after the act, which would go right back to the justification to strike back. At that point of misunderstanding (which could have been my fault in not explaining it clearly), you took this as a justification to attack me nonstop. Well I'm here to tell you that there is nothing inaccurate with the two-sided equation. You just misinterpreted it.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

. . . . . . .

Peacegirl it's been 1 hour since your last post, and 21 hours since you said goodbye, nice to see that you have made multiple posts since you said goodbye.

[Florence Jellem]

Well, boys, my dear little Adolf had to be “put down,” as they say, after his regrettable contretemps with the representative of the United States Postal Service. I totally blame myself. Manchester terriers are notoriously high-strung, and when Flo leaped from her seat and screeched “Eureka! I have it!” (while spilling my whiskey) the poor dear was startled out of a sound snooze and darted, yapping, out the front door just as the mailman was arriving and … the rest, as they say, is history. Then there are the medical bills Flo will be liable for … But all of this is neither here nor there, is it? Flo has no intention of throwing a big pity party for herself at a respectable forum like this, particularly when we are mere pages away from three big genuine parties. “Now,” as that dear Richard Nixon said upon resigning, “we look to the future.” He also said “It’s a balls thing,” but that was in a different context.

When Flo is a bit more composed, I shall open the door marked “My Penis Is Like a Phallic Symbol” and together we shall see what is inside.

[Florence Jellem]

In my grief I console myself with the knowledge that Adolf is now in heaven. I do pray, however, that he doesn't gnaw on Jesus' ankle. The poor man already has holes in his hands and feet. He doesn't need a severed Achilles tendon, too.

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Nothing any of you can say, no matter how misleading, will be able to stop this new world from becoming a reality.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this book from being recognized as the most important discovery of our times because of its ability to bring peace to our troubled planet.

Nothing any of you can say will stop this knowledge from coming to light in due time.

Actually, the original book set a date on this, but it passed without anything happening. Like many belief systems where a prophetic prediction fails but where the adherents do not want to deal with the consequences of this, you simply added an excuse into the book, moving this date to an unspecified future moment.

But according to your father, the Brave New World should have started before the end of the 20th century.

So you added the excuse: the book failed to reach "the proper scientists (not political scientists)" whatever that means.

When reality conflicts with your book, you do not consider the book wrong: it is just that what we have here is the wrong sort of reality.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

Actually, the original book set a date on this, but it passed without anything happening. Like many belief systems where a prophetic prediction fails but where the adherents do not want to deal with the consequences of this, you simply added an excuse into the book, moving this date to an unspecified future moment.

But according to your father, the Brave New World should have started before the end of the 20th century.

So you added the excuse: the book failed to reach "the proper scientists (not political scientists)" whatever that means.

When reality conflicts with your book, you do not consider the book wrong: it is just that what we have here is the wrong sort of reality.

You're incorrect. He qualified what he wrote by saying that the prediction was based on the conviction that this knowledge would be thoroughly studied and understood by leading scientists. What does that mean? Trained people who know how to not jump to conclusions and certainly not take things out of context and belittle the author just because they don't like his claim. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. We're in a different century and the prediction is still contingent on a thorough investigation. He also wrote that the prediction as to when this new world will become a reality is not the same as a prediction as to when an eclipse will occur.

The economic system I just described is mathematically possible
— but only when all people understand what it means that man’s will
is not free. These principles are just as undeniable when thoroughly
understood as any mathematical equation; and when political leaders
of the world recognize that it is now possible to unite all nations in
such a harmonious agreement that the causes of war and crime can be
entirely eliminated not only without hurting anyone but while
benefiting all mankind, this knowledge will spread quickly throughout
the earth. Until then, we will be forced to live in our present world as
a lesser of two evils. Remember, in conclusion, my prediction that all
war will come to a permanent end in the next 25 years is not like the
prediction that an eclipse will occur at a given time because the
astronomer has nothing whatever to do with the motion of these
bodies and the crossing of their paths. All he is doing is charting their
course. Mine, however, is equivalent to the one a philanthropist
makes that a certain university will receive a donation of one million
dollars on a given date because he is the one who intends to donate
this money on that date. I am donating to mankind this scientific
discovery that gives man no choice as to the direction he is compelled
to travel, once the principles are understood.

Until that time, your
help, your willingness to learn about these principles and understand
them is needed. And once you understand them, you will be
compelled, of your own free will, to spread the news. When the fuse
is lit and this knowledge spreads to those who not only recognize its
significance but who also have the influence to lay it before those who
can disseminate it even more rapidly, then it will not take long before
we will develop this world of unmatched splendor wherein no one will
ever be hurt, and everyone will have sustenance and health. We are
given no free choice in this matter because God has taken it out of our
hands as we are compelled to move in this direction for greater
satisfaction. In our next chapter, you are about to see another miracle
performed that is related to the medical profession.

[Vivisectus]

Hmmm - what does the Authentic Text have to say about this, I wonder?

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Until then, we will be forced to live in our present world as
a lesser of two evils.

I'm just curious Peacegirl, what evil is greater than the present world? Is he referring to the Golden Age?