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The sun and moon are 'apparently'/observed near the horizon, the sun being at the horizon by observation, thus by your words, both the sun and moon are in reality below the observer, thus below the horizon.
OK, so what part of that do you not understand?
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I am very familiar with the round Earth model
Guy, you clearly don't understand how your model works, and this question is about an observation which you are unable to explain with your model.
And you continue to make false claims about what the round Earth model is supposed to be, You are a liar and a fraud.
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I am relating your claims ...
No you're not. You might be trying to, but I don't know what you mean by "actuality above the observers point of view" nor why you think the moon should be in shadow, nor why refraction should bathe 80% of the earth in sunlight. These things do not follow from what I said.
Jerome continues to corrupt what others have posted in order to perpetuate his fiction.

Jerome is a liar and a fraud, and I can't wait to see what he comes up with next, he is just about as entertaining as Peacegirl, lets see if he can last as long.
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Still unexplained with your model:

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You might be trying to, but I don't know what you mean by "actuality above the observers point of view"
Your words: "It only looks wrong to you because the apparent positions of the sun and moon are higher than they actually are, due to refraction."

What do you think you mean?

The sun and moon are 'apparently'/observed near the horizon, the sun being at the horizon by observation, thus by your words, both the sun and moon are in reality below the observer, thus below the horizon.
Your terminology is confused, but it might just be that you get it. Now, why do you think the moon should be in shadow and the earth in 80% sunlight?
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Plenty of observational evidence on this video which shows the bottoms of an object in the distance disappearing into the horizon.

You are literally denying your own observed reality and the observational evidence of others.

Flat Earth Horizons II - Flatter, Straighter, Longer - YouTube

You mean the heat effect on the road? Nowhere near the horizon? And then the way that bike completely fails to dip under the horizon?

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Meanwhile, we still do not know what causes the phases of the moon. Is the moon a sphere or a disc? How about the sun? And what causes that crescent-shaped light area, and the dark parts which you can sometimes still see?

What causes lunar eclipses?

How can you have buoyancy without gravity? What force keeps me from stepping on to a vat of air without going down? The only force at work is this "buoyancy" of the air, apparently... so what causes me to fall down into the vat?

Of course we are ignoring the world-wide conspiracy to pretend we have satellites, space programs and to keep folks from realizing the Antarctic is a strip that is at least 120.000 KM wide, and that flights from Chile to Australia are in fact about 40.000 KM long and happen at about mach 3.3!

But hey - at least there is no pesky scientism, which basically means stuff Jerome has a hard time figuring out.
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If we're going to post horizon videos in a thread called Drive By Science, it needs some actual driving. And some awesome.

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Not just explained, but predicted. Accurately.
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Plenty of observational evidence on this video which shows the bottoms of an object in the distance disappearing into the horizon.

You are literally denying your own observed reality and the observational evidence of others.

Flat Earth Horizons II - Flatter, Straighter, Longer - YouTube

You mean the heat effect on the road? Nowhere near the horizon? And then the way that bike completely fails to dip under the horizon?

:lol:
This video didn't demonstrate anything, there are hills in the distance that obscure the horizon, and it's very easy to find a section of Highway with a slight vertical curvature, and then set the camera to take advantage of this geometry. There is a section of Rt. 30 in Pa. just east of Bedford Pa. that is called "Mile Level". it is certainly one mile of straight road but it is not level, even though those who grew up there will claim that it is actually level for the whole mile. I have driven that section and it clearly raises up at the one end, for about half the distance. You can discount any video that is set on land, as the surface of the Earth is not level and true by any measure.
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Not just explained, but predicted. Accurately.
Outright denial of reality.

Your model predicts the opposite of the observation.
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In your model the moon should not be illuminated from the view point of the observer.



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That's no moon.
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Jerome demonstrates his misunderstanding of perspective by taking the term "Vanishing Point" literally. Actually nothing vanishes there, it's just a geometric function to aid in making a drawing. Objects don't reach the vanishing point and disappear objects don't reach the vanishing point at all. It is true that sometimes an object gets too far away to be seen with the naked eye, but the proper telescope will cure that. The "Vanishing point" is not a point where objects disappear, it is a geometric construct and not real. BTW, all the geometric lines stop at the vanishing point, nothing projects beyond the vanishing point.
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That's no moon.
So the flat-Earthers are making more false claims, showing one thing and claiming it is something else. As usual they reject a reasonable and sound explanation and make some outrageous claim instead.
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Not just explained, but predicted. Accurately.
Outright denial of reality.

Your model predicts the opposite of the observation.
Nope. And using our model, we can tell you when and where you can go and observe the next one.

Like we did with the last one.

Yours cannot.
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Meanwhile, we still do not know what causes the phases of the moon. Is the moon a sphere or a disc? How about the sun? And what causes that crescent-shaped light area, and the dark parts which you can sometimes still see?

What causes lunar eclipses?

How can you have buoyancy without gravity? What force keeps me from stepping on to a vat of air without going down? The only force at work is this "buoyancy" of the air, apparently... so what causes me to fall down into the vat?

Of course we are ignoring the world-wide conspiracy to pretend we have satellites, space programs and to keep folks from realizing the Antarctic is a strip that is at least 120.000 KM wide, and that flights from Chile to Australia are in fact about 40.000 KM long and happen at about mach 3.3!

But hey - at least there is no pesky scientism, which basically means stuff Jerome has a hard time figuring out.
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Obviously by the inability of you all to explain this video with your model, your model is debunked.

This is how science works. Observation trumps theory 100% of the time.


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Explained and predicted

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The shadow will appear to be creeping almost straight down across the moon's face from its upper limb.
That is the opposite of the observation presented.
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The shadow moves from the bottom to the top.
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Can you reading comprehend? The shadow starts covering the moon on the upper limb and then spreads down. The upper portion is dark, the lower portion is not.

Try looking at the very next sentence:
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The shadow moves from the bottom to the top.
Did you even watch your video?
1:00 the top of the moon begins to get dark
1:46 a larger portion of the top is in shadow
3:18 about half is in shadow
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