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Old 02-16-2015, 07:41 PM
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Za'atar is really good on cheese pizza, though. You should try that instead and stop being so American.
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Israeli za'atar (adopted from Arab communities
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Palestinian za'atar which Israelis appropriated from Palestinian communities
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:14 PM
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Za'atar is a category, like curry is. So there's an herb that's called za'atar just like there's one called curry, and not all za'atars or all curries even contain the titular ingredient, but they're all legit.

Also I have a peeve about recipes, where I think it's evil to claim to own a recipe or technique, and in line with my Strong Belief in the Opensourcedness of Food Preparation, recipes and cooking methods are just forks at most, not appropriations.

Your general premise is spot on, but IT DOES NOT APPLY TO COOKING. Everybody gets credit or nobody does! That is the rule! That I just invented right now!
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:26 PM
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Sort of on topic for lisarea's American Hating derail, this weekend I was feeling horribly lazy, so I picked up some stuff called Gorma Korma, which is a mild coconut-milk-based curry sauce that I'm sure some of you have heard of but I hadn't. The jar wasn't terribly cheap, like $5.50 or so, but since I already had some hugeassed chicken breasts in the freezer and potatoes and onion on hand, I pretended like it was a way to feed all 4 of us for only five bucks and change, which it totally was. Anyway, this stuff is excellent. Just interesting enough to satisfy my curry craving without being too spicy for the fambly wimps (Li'l Puppet mainly), while all I had to do was chop stuff up and dump it in a pot, thus satisfying my need to have something different and tasty without actually having to work at it. I'm gonna use this stuff again, but with more stuff like maybe lentils and some sort of greens.

So yeah, totally lazy enough to be American, but not so American to keep it from being actually, y'know, good.
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:38 PM
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:54 PM
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We have a giant Asian supermarket right by the house, so I keep different little cans of curry paste and coconut milk in the cupboard, so I can make stuff into a fancy curry and act like I almost died from all the work, even though I just put some cans of stuff in. It's p. great and I totally recommend everyone do that, including the part about pretending you almost died making it.

Get it at an Asian grocery if you can, though, because the gwailo stores charge wayyyy too much for those ingredients, like I'm talking I've seen things cost ten times as much for the same exact thing.

That is p. great in areas like ours where there is an Asian store, because then you literally pay money to be racist.
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:06 PM
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Sort of on topic for lisarea's American Hating derail, this weekend I was feeling horribly lazy, so I picked up some stuff called Gorma, which is a mild coconut-milk-based curry sauce that I'm sure some of you have heard of but I hadn't.
Sounds like korma. With a k.

Did you tell them that they're spelling it wrong?
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:13 PM
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Heh. Yes, it's Korma. Yet there are reviews of it misspelling it the same way I did.
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:27 PM
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Za'atar is a category, like curry is. So there's an herb that's called za'atar just like there's one called curry, and not all za'atars or all curries even contain the titular ingredient, but they're all legit.
Yeah, Za'atar is thyme زعتر
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:32 PM
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American as peanut butter, bacon, and banana sammich.
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:21 PM
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Based on what I've read about it, the herb za'atar is "Biblical hyssop" (because, of course, there are different kinds of hyssop, because only one kind of hyssop would be too easy), and it's similar or related to what we usually call thyme (and which is what I put in my za'atar blend), but is actually a different thing. I was reading about it a while back because I apparently decided my life wasn't complicated enough yet, so I was trying to find authentical za'atar to use for that.

Oh for the love of god, look at this Wikipedia entry:

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Origanum syriacum; syn. Majorana syriaca (also Origanum maru, although this primarily refers to a hybrid of O. syriacum),[3] bible hyssop,[4] Biblical-hyssop,[1] Lebanese oregano[1] or Syrian oregano,[1] is an aromatic perennial herb in the mint family, Lamiaceae.
You know that thing when you think you know something and then you find out more stuff about that thing and it starts to make you question reality itself? WHAT THE FUCK ZA'ATAR? Oregano now too?

:eagletear: <-- This eagle renders all this za'atar talk on topic.
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:56 PM
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Huh, I always heard it referred to as thyme. It features in names of towns or even the name of the refugee camp Tell al-Zaatar in Lebanon, which is translated as the Hill of Thyme (or Thyme Hill).
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:17 AM
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Oh, yeah, I forgot to include that it is also referred to as wild thyme. (That man in the article is one of the most likeable looking people I have ever seen.)

But if you search on wild thyme, that term seems to refer to a bunch of different species, so I guess there's wild thyme and wild thyme, and of course, there are a bunch of cutesy named catering companies called that as well.

I hope I've been able to clear this all up for you.

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Old 02-17-2015, 02:33 AM
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Huh, okay. I had my first za'atar in Palestine, Ramallah, where they usually use a pretty salty version and they mix it up with olive oil and dip their bread in it for breakfast. They also sell bread with it already on it, which they then dip in olive oil. I think the Palestinian one is thyme and salt mostly but not sure what else. The Syrian one has sumac added.

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Old 02-17-2015, 03:21 AM
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The version I make is, like, mostly sumac. Sumac, toasted sesame seeds, thyme, oregano, and salt, IIRC.

I love sumac. As soon as I got me some and tried it, I realized that this was the ingredient I was missing in a bunch of things. I'd be trying to add citrus and stuff to things to recreate what I was going for and never quite got it until I found out about sumac.

The moral of this post is: SUMAC.

ETA that my favorite middle eastern restaurant and probably the one I tried to copy the most is Syrian, so this totally jibes.

ETA yet again to tell Watser? a story but to respect the fact that I feel kind of bad for turning this thrad into a thrad about za'atar because that is inappropriate and I tried but I am impulsive and stupid.


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Yeah, sumac is great, since I discovered it I try to use it as much as possible.

And sesame seed is in the Palestinian version too, Syrian version as well I think.
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Based on what I've read about it, the herb za'atar is "Biblical hyssop" (because, of course, there are different kinds of hyssop, because only one kind of hyssop would be too easy)
Isn't a za'atar one of those twangy harp-ish arabian instruments?
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Did you say your food wasn't American enough? Fear not! Little Caesar's is introducing bacon-wrapped pizza, like "your baby Jesus God" intended.
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That kind of reminds me of that thing where someone who is just starting to cook for themselves decides to just put all their favorite foods into one thing, so everything ends up having tons of bacon and cheese, and nothing really goes together.

And you know what else it reminds me of?

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Are my food stamps American enough for you?

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All it needs is a fake mustache to make it retro hipster.

In before Guy Cheese Fries teams up with Little Caesars to turn this into a Bloody Mary garnish.
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You guys are making me so hungry right now.

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I think there should be a distinction made between the traditional post-war Americaning up of food (processed cheese food product, Wonder bread, ranch spooge) and the hipstering up of food (bacon, bacon, bacon! and fat disgusting jiggling pork belleh. of course).
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:drudgesiren: Huge problem here! HUGE problem here! :drudgesiren:

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Everyone knows the best part of the New England clam chowder are the soup crackers!! How are you supposed to put these in a popsicle and still maintain their structural integrity??



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