Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?

[ChuckF]

Only on weekends.

[LadyShea]

I think a woman fundamentalist enough to wear a niqab would probably follow strict religious doctrine about women no matter where she lives. I doubt they drive around unaccompanied. Most less conservative Western Muslims wear only the head scarves.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Women who wear a niqab probably do not drive.
Also I am pretty sure honor killings are illegal in Canada.

I haven't bothered to look into it beyond the sign at the Department of Licensing, so I don't know the likelihood that a niqab wearing woman has a driver's license. As far as I know, there's no law saying they can't drive while wearing a niqab, only that they when they get a Washington state ID, they need to have an uncovered face for the picture.

There are plenty of hijab wearing women who drive, though.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I think a woman fundamentalist enough to wear a niqab would probably follow strict religious doctrine about women no matter where she lives. I doubt they drive around unaccompanied. Most less conservative Western Muslims wear only the head scarves.

These things depend more on where you live and what your husband demands.

Some women do attach devoutness to it but Muslims respect Jesus and his advise is to pray in private, not in public, as then all the theist is doing is showing off and basically bragging about your devoutness to your peers.

Regards
DL

[LadyShea]

I have never personally seen a woman wearing a niqab in the US. Plenty of hijabs and semi tailored clothing covering arms to the wrists and skirts to the ankle. Are burqua and niqab common in Canada? Is it a real concern or a manufactured one?

The only place I have seen a fully covered woman, burqua with eye slits only, was in London.

[Ari]

What exactly would outlawing head scarfs do exactly?
If your argument is 'Islam is bad' then ok sure whatever but what do their clothes have to do with it?
Tanks are bad, but don't worry the Minister of Primes has declared they can not be painted green, the world is safe again!

Only Muslim woman? Can I wear a Hijab if I wanted?

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

Most countries have dress codes that if not adhered to brings negative consequences.

Try going out naked and see how far you get.

Ha! Funny you should mention that.
Did you know federal land has no dress code! Come to America where you can strip naked on our federal land, or wear a bee keepers suit, ya know if that's your kink. I've seen both!

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

It's 100% manufactured, Shea. It's meant to whip up racist paranoia.

FWIW, 95% of the Muslim women I saw in Munich wore chador.


It's a big deal here in Australia, too. Neo-Nazi groups are going on and on about "banning the burqa," but I have only ever seen women wearing a hijab.


Know Your Veils: A Guide to Middle Eastern Head Coverings (PHOTOS)*|*Anne Sobel this is need.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

To be frank though, I see Christianity and Islam as homophobic and misogynous religions and would vote for any measure that would reduce misogyny.

Regards
DL

You are doing a really good job of proving that you are a narrow-minded bigot, by painting all Christians with the same brush, and accusing all Christians of believing what you believe some Christians believe. Not all Christians take the same stance on all issues, you really need to educate yourself.

[Watser?]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I have never personally seen a woman wearing a niqab in the US. Plenty of hijabs and semi tailored clothing covering arms to the wrists and skirts to the ankle. Are burqua and niqab common in Canada? Is it a real concern or a manufactured one?

The only place I have seen a fully covered woman, burqua with eye slits only, was in London.

I saw one over here once, not far from my house

Must be one of the 10 or so there are in the country...

[Ymir's blood]

Are you sure that wasn't a Nazgûl?

[Watser?]

Maybe.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I have never personally seen a woman wearing a niqab in the US. Plenty of hijabs and semi tailored clothing covering arms to the wrists and skirts to the ankle. Are burqua and niqab common in Canada? Is it a real concern or a manufactured one?

The only place I have seen a fully covered woman, burqua with eye slits only, was in London.

There are enough of them to complain about harassment and get enough to get the government talking about it.

Does the number actually matter?

If so, we can wait for immigration to bring more in for us to abuse before getting legislation in place. Remember that we whites, I assume you are white, are not reproducing enough and that Muslims are our fastest growing demographic.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

[Kael]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

Remember that we whites, I assume you are white, are not reproducing enough and that Muslims are our fastest growing demographic.

Definitely nothing overtly racist there... Granting you the extremely generous assumption that you're not deliberately racist, what's your point? WASPs used to worry about Catholics having too many kids, too. Plenty still do, especially if those Catholics are Hispanic.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by Ari

What exactly would outlawing head scarfs do exactly?
If your argument is 'Islam is bad' then ok sure whatever but what do their clothes have to do with it?
Tanks are bad, but don't worry the Minister of Primes has declared they can not be painted green, the world is safe again!

Only Muslim woman? Can I wear a Hijab if I wanted?

Ha! Funny you should mention that.
Did you know federal land has no dress code! Come to America where you can strip naked on our federal land, or wear a bee keepers suit, ya know if that's your kink. I've seen both!

The clothing is in question is symbolic of Muslims man's ownership and control of his women and daughters. That is why some Muslim men will Honor kill their women who do not do as ordered.

That is not always the case of course but for a free country to allow real slavery to be displayed so openly is ridiculous. We may not be able to end the practice of wife and daughter ownership by misogynous religions but we can certainly end the practice of having slavery displayed in our free society.

A free person should view that apparel the same way a Jew would see people wearing full S.S. garb in Israel.

Either or both situations are just as repugnant and insulting.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by thedoc

You are doing a really good job of proving that you are a narrow-minded bigot, by painting all Christians with the same brush, and accusing all Christians of believing what you believe some Christians believe. Not all Christians take the same stance on all issues, you really need to educate yourself.

I spoke of Christianity and Islam. Not individuals.

I see that you are educated enough to not even attempt to refute what I said. That means that I am plenty educated beside you.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by Kael

Definitely nothing overtly racist there... Granting you the extremely generous assumption that you're not deliberately racist, what's your point? WASPs used to worry about Catholics having too many kids, too. Plenty still do, especially if those Catholics are Hispanic.

I do not care what color replaces whites. It is Canadian culture that I want to protect from religions who think they are free to not allow equality that Canada prides itself on.

Take your racist garbage and stuff it.

I am discriminating against evil. Not a color.

Regards
DL

[Watser?]

Apart from everything else, Muslim and white are not mutually exclusive.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

The clothing is in question is symbolic of Muslims man's ownership and control of his women and daughters.

It is? How many Muslim women who wear a head covering have told you this?

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

We may not be able to end the practice of wife and daughter ownership by misogynous religions but we can certainly end the practice of having slavery displayed in our free society.

So what you're saying is, in a free society you should be able to control what clothes others wear because you have a personal problem with viewing those items.

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

A free person should view that apparel the same way a Jew would see people wearing full S.S. garb in Israel.

I just, that's so stupid,

[Ari]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

I am discriminating

Yup.
Just admit you are an islamophobe, it's more honest and respectful than all this beating around the bush pretending you're such a good person.
Good people don't oppress people while telling them it's for their own good, predators do that. Good people also don't target the weak and helpless in a minority that can't fight back, again, shitty people do that.

Predators and savior complex go together quite well as it makes a great justification for ignoring people's agency and treating them like objects.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Originally Posted by Watser?

Apart from everything else, Muslim and white are not mutually exclusive.

No argument.

But the number of white Muslims is really small % wise.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

[quote=Ari;1239887]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

It is? How many Muslim women who wear a head covering have told you this?
:

What number do I need before it becomes pertinent?

Regards
DL

[Watser?]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

No argument.

But the number of white Muslims is really small % wise.

Regards
DL

Depends what you'd call white. Azerbaijanis for instance are literally Caucasians, but most Americans wouldn't count them as white.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop

What number do I need before it becomes pertinent?

Regards
DL

More than zero in person.
In fact a better question, how many women wearing head coverings have you talked to in person, just full stop. Taking your coffee order or ringing up your pork and beer counts too.

[davidm]

[quote=Gnostic Christian Bishop;1239762]

Originally Posted by davidm

No.

Here are the wife beating rules.

Wife Beating in Islam - The Rules - YouTube

Here is a statement from a child bride that was murdered for not wanting to marry an old man.

11 Year Old Child Bride Speaks Out Before Being Killed - YouTube

Thanks for supporting Islam.

Regards
DL

Here's the problem: you seem to think that because some Muslims support wife beating or honor killing, then all do. Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

Let me give you a different example. We know two things: You, Gnostic Christian Bishop, are a white person; and, in addition to that, you are a demonstrable fuckwit. Therefore, all white people are demonstrable fuckwits.

Let's formalize the argument:

P1: GCB is white.
P2. GCB is a demonstrable fuckwit.
C: All white people are demonstrable fuckwits.

Do you see how the conclusion does not follow from the premises, and that therefore the argument is invalid? If not, let me know, and I'll try to walk you through the logic, with baby steps if necessary.

BTW, were you planning to retract your claims about Muslim No-Go Zones?

[Watser?]

There are 4 Sunni schools of law/jurisprudence: Sunni Schools

The various Shi'ite denominations have their own. Plus the Ibadis (mostly in Oman) have theirs.

I'm pretty sure none of them agree with killing children if they do not want to marry a man and even surer that honor killing is something they all disagree with.