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So, what have we seen recently? Not necessarily in chronological order:
  • Trump threatened Ecuador for no reason that seems to make a lick of sense -- other than that he fears what might happen if Julian Assange is extradited to the U.S. and testifies regarding the 2016 election.
  • Trump held a 2-hour, closed-door meeting with Putin.
  • Trump, upon being asked about the U.S.'s biggest foe replied that it was -- the European Union.
  • Trump publicly declared that he trusted Putin's assurance that Russia hadn't meddled in the 2016 election over the unanimous conclusions of the U.S. security agencies.
  • Upon receiving lots of backlash against that statement, even from Republicans, he reversed the claim.
  • Then he reiterated that no, he wasn't convinced that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election.
  • Putin, when directly asked if he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election, and if he'd helped arrange that outcome, answered "Yes" to the first part and pointedly refused to answer the second part.
  • Trump has been going out of his way recently to belittle and antagonize our allies and NATO in particular, while fawning over Putin.

Even if Trump didn't personally collude with Russia, and even if he didn't tacitly approve of collusion between members of his election team and Russia, it seems all but impossible to deny that the Russians clearly have something on Trump. Trump has all but openly declared himself to be Putin's lap dog.

Not that this seems to matter to his supporters. In the past week or so, I've seen several variations on the theme of "So what if Trump colluded with Russia? If he did, then good on Putin for saving us from a Hillary Clinton presidency!".

Ugh.
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When you do business with Russian big businesses, you're doing business with the mob, and the Kremlin. They're all intertwined. In Putin's gig in St Petersburg early in his political career he was in charge of basically moving supply around, and in doing so he had to deal with the various mafia outfits, not a thing for the faint of heart. The chances that Putin doesn't have epic piles of financial incrimination document just ready to dump into the open wilds if needed is as you say, basically zero.
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Not that this seems to matter to his supporters. In the past week or so, I've seen several variations on the theme of "So what if Trump colluded with Russia? If he did, then good on Putin for saving us from a Hillary Clinton presidency!".

Ugh.
And no less perplexing are the chorus of "He's doing what a President should do(!), which is either a) make nice in public with foreign powers and or b) be diplomatic with adversarial heads of state.
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Let's assume that Assange is extradited to the U.S. Then what?

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he were to be assassinated. Seriously, does anyone think that Trump would hesitate for even an instant to have somebody whacked, assuming he thought he could get away with it?
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If Assange was assassinated it would almost certainly be by Russia as I don't think Trump has the capacity to organize an assassination that isn't a fake hitman wearing a wire. If anything he will state in one of his rallies that it sure would be nice if he didn't make it here. Similar to his on stage demand for Russia to hack the election. Assange wont be killed by russia since he's knowingly or not a russian asset and is better as the asshole distraction he is.

Of course Russia has stuff on him, but let's not forget how Trump works and that Trump also sees Putin as another big dog. Putin is everything Trump wants to be and just like he praised Kim, part of this is just Trump fawning over himself er I mean Putin because of how badass Trump, er I mean Putin is. I wouldn't be surprised if in his mind Trump has shifted some of Putin's actions onto himself and convinced himself they were his actions all along.
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So, what have we seen recently? Not necessarily in chronological order:
  • Trump threatened Ecuador for no reason that seems to make a lick of sense -- other than that he fears what might happen if Julian Assange is extradited to the U.S. and testifies regarding the 2016 election.
  • Trump held a 2-hour, closed-door meeting with Putin.
  • Trump, upon being asked about the U.S.'s biggest foe replied that it was -- the European Union.
  • Trump publicly declared that he trusted Putin's assurance that Russia hadn't meddled in the 2016 election over the unanimous conclusions of the U.S. security agencies.
  • Upon receiving lots of backlash against that statement, even from Republicans, he reversed the claim.
  • Then he reiterated that no, he wasn't convinced that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election.
  • Putin, when directly asked if he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election, and if he'd helped arrange that outcome, answered "Yes" to the first part and pointedly refused to answer the second part.
  • Trump has been going out of his way recently to belittle and antagonize our allies and NATO in particular, while fawning over Putin.

Even if Trump didn't personally collude with Russia, and even if he didn't tacitly approve of collusion between members of his election team and Russia, it seems all but impossible to deny that the Russians clearly have something on Trump. Trump has all but openly declared himself to be Putin's lap dog.

Not that this seems to matter to his supporters. In the past week or so, I've seen several variations on the theme of "So what if Trump colluded with Russia? If he did, then good on Putin for saving us from a Hillary Clinton presidency!".

Ugh.
I've been thinking of writing my Republican Congressman and asking him if he's okay with all this, but really, would it accomplish anything? I haven't heard a peep from him on the subject. I'll just cast my vote. He's up this year.
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It was all a publicity stunt for Kim Jong Un. He got to meet with the so-called leader of the free world as an equal. That lends legitimacy to his regime and makes him a player in world politics (at least in his eyes to to the people of North Korea).

That is all Kim Jong Un wanted from this meeting.
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!"

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Twitter might be blocked in Iran for everyday Iranians, but Iranian government officials, including Rouhani, do have Twitter accounts.

Even aside from the fact that it's just wrong, the idea that Rouhani isn't going to see that tweet because he's not on Twitter is really not the direction I'd go with the criticism.

But anyway...
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I'll go any direction with snark.

Anyway, look who's keepin' it (un)real:

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Thinking further on Trump's narcissism and Twitter blocked in Iran, Iranian officials having Twitter accounts nonetheless. NPD sole needs: Avoid shame, gather praise. Trump's angry tweet is both of those, a giant NOTICE ME, SENPAI. Iranian citizens seeing his barking is not likely on Trump's radar, just rage at a perceived slight at the last half of the Mother of all Peace comment, since he owns the USA and all the people in it, and his adoring fans at the half filled auditoriums where he suggests 2nd Amendment remedies against the press and the 1st Amendment.
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