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Old 01-03-2016, 02:51 AM
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Florida 911 Dispatcher Accidentally Shoots and Kills Daughter | Alternet

For some reason this description of events confuses me...

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The Orlando Sentinel reports Sherry Campbell, who works as a 911 dispatcher, told investigators she was awakened by what she thought was a stranger breaking into her home. That noise was actually the sound of her daughter, Ashley Doby, moving about the house. Campbell fired a single shot that fatally struck Doby in the chest.

The 911 call was made by Doby’s stepfather, St. Cloud police officer Claude Campbell, Jr, who told the dispatcher Doby had “passed out” due to a long-standing heart problem, but did not indicate that she had been shot. Investigators say Campbell, who had been sleeping when the shot was fired, did not notice the bullet wound in his stepdaughter’s chest.
Anywho, accepting this as a garden variety Oops I Killed My Family story, it never hurts to keep this handy homemakers tip in mind -

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According to studies, a gun in the home is “22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.”
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Old 01-03-2016, 05:24 PM
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Bundy Brigade Assume Control of Wildlife Reserve, But Are Not Terrorists

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Update at 9:15 p.m.: Statement from Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward: "After the peaceful rally was completed today, a group of outside militants drove to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they seized and occupied the refuge headquarters. A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation."

The Bundy family of Nevada joined with hard-core militiamen Saturday to take over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, vowing to occupy the remote federal outpost 30 miles southeast of Burns for years.

The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers — militia and local citizens both — paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday.

Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.
Welp. The stage is set and they (the protesterrorists) are awaiting their next Ruby Ridge Davidian Raid. Even moreso than the last time these clowns were in the news.
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Old 01-03-2016, 05:46 PM
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And THIS is what started it all.

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The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.
So, you know, honest hard working Americans who din't do nuffin.
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Ryan Bundy said there were no hostages, but the group is demanding that the Hammonds be released and the federal government relinquish control of the Malheur National Forest.
That sounds like a really good plan.

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"What we're doing is not rebellious. What we're doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land."
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That sounds like a legal opinion!
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Old 01-04-2016, 07:20 AM
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So enforcing deer hunting seasons, managing wildlife preserves and prosecuting people for arson is somehow unconstitutional and oppressive? Would it not be an issue if it was the state managing the hunting season and making sure state-owned land is not getting burned willy-nilly by any farmer who feels like it?

I just don't get what their actual point is.
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:43 PM
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The federal government is a government of limited powers, and federal actions that exceed those limits are unconstitutional. The argument here is based on a provision of Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution called the Enclave Clause:

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To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings[.]
By its own terms, the clause deals solely with exclusive authority to pass legislation governing federally-owned land. However, wingnuts argue that the clause prohibits the federal government from owning any land without the express permission of the state in which the land is located. As discussed in the thread on Clive Bundy's idiot activities, it's a dumb argument advanced by dumb people.

To go all Animal House for a sec, stupid, frightened and armed is no way to go through life.
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Y'all Qaeda.

Yokel Haram.

Militant yeehawdists.

Just a few names for this bunch posted at another forum.
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This seems pretty on point. Those Jamokes In Oregon Aren't Terrorists, They're Jamokes

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Here is the thing. These men are not frightening. They are jamokes. They are exactly jamokes. Their guns, on the other hand, are very frightening—for precisely and entirely the same reason and to absolutely the same degree that those same guns would be frightening in the hands of toddlers. Not because the people holding those guns are serious, but because the people holding those guns are not serious.

This, my good buddies, is the entire American pro-gun argument made (embarrassing, oh my God so fucking embarrassing) flesh. A big scary gun lends a degree of real power even to the variety of sad, corny-ass loser who invades and occupies what is essentially a fancy birdhouse in the name of ending tyranny. That is the whole reason to have a big scary gun. Not as a safeguard against home invaders or the totalitarian state, but as a safeguard against a clear-eyed reckoning with plain reality. A gun is—or at least these jamokes hope it is—a Get Out Of Getting Laughed At Free card. When you call these horse’s asses “terrorists,” you are not only dignifying their ridiculous, impotent actions, you are doing them the biggest favor for which they can hope.

Here is what this is: it’s the moment the gun-humping right pantsed itself for all the world to see. Look at these sad cowards! The smallness of their acting-out; the transparency of their bullshit; the fraudulence of their anti-authoritarian pose; the convenience of the fact that their active search for a tyranny against which to rebel—it wasn’t coming to take their guns away, you see—led them to an unoccupied building of zero value in the middle of nowhere, where the most aggressive response they’ll muster from the government they so eagerly pretend to fear is an irritated phone call from a Bureau of Land Management flack. There’s no reason to join them in the collective fantasy that they represent a threat to anything other than the urine-free status of this random building’s bathroom sink.

Some morons decided to take a vacation from reality. They brought their guns along. The rest of the world actually does not have to join them! Eventually they will get bored of waiting for tyranny to come certify their jagoff fantasy. Maybe they will leave a bag of flaming crap on tyranny’s doorstep on their way back home.
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I hope they don't hurt the birds. It is a lovely sanctuary. I camped near there once.
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The blatant hypocrisy of it is what bothers me.

Grazing on public rangelands is heavily subsidized*. Consequently, ranchers who graze their cattle (or sheep, or whatever) on public lands typically pay quite a bit less than what private owners insist on charging for grazing rights.

What's more, because it isn't their land and because -- let's face it -- the Bureau of Land Management is terrified of doing anything that might upset ranchers, and so isn't exactly zealous about enforcing what rules do exist -- ranchers grazing on public lands are notoriously prone to putting to many animals on the land, allowing them to graze too close to streams, etc. The result is that many of the public grazing lands in the West are terribly overgrazed and subsequently damaged.

Frequently, ranchers and their supporters argue: "See, all that damage is a direct result of poor management by the BLM; you should sell the land to private individuals, who will do a better job of managing it." Conveniently, of course, they omit mentioning that private landowners typically charge much higher grazing fees and are far stricter when it comes to how many animals can graze an area and under what conditions.

In other words, if they actually got what they claim they want, most of them would almost-certainly be quite upset about the results, as they'd then be facing much higher grazing fees and much more stringent regulations about how and when and where their animals could graze. And I'm sure the smarter ones are well aware of that fact.





Not that you don't see such hypocrisy everywhere, but the American West is rife with this sort of blatant hypocrisy. These areas with very low population densities don't raise nearly enough tax money to pay for roads, irrigation systems, water-treatment systems, schools, sewage-treatment systems, railroads, etc., etc. So, these areas are almost-always heavily subsidized by state and/or federal tax monies.

And yet, so very many of these people insist on screaming that "tax is theft," "government is evil," and so forth -- while blithely ignoring the fact that most of their communities are not remotely self-sufficient and probably wouldn't even exist without generous, continuing government subsidies.


Meanwhile, don't you dare suggest that maybe, just maybe, the rest of us shouldn't be shoveling quite so many of our tax dollars toward supporting them. That'll really get them screaming bloody murder.



That was one of the things which always bugged me about living in the Eastern Washington/Northern Idaho region. (Though, again, it's not as if that attitude isn't widespread in rural areas all over the U.S.)

A case in point. A few years ago, the Spokane (Washington) newspaper printed a seemingly-innocuous story about how the state was building a new ferry to get people to and from Seattle. For whatever reason, this set off some of the more frothing-at-the-mouth anti-tax idiots. For days afterward, the paper printed letter after letter from people ranting about how terrible it was that their hard-earned tax dollars were going to build a ferry that does them not a damn bit of good.

"This is taxation without representation, and the very thing that our Forefathers rebelled against!" was a fairly common response, as I recall. This was "proof" that "liberals" have managed to completely brainwash us into forgetting our most basic rights, others argued. And if we weren't so "brainwashed" and "indoctrinated" and "intimidated" by all those "liberal lies," we'd do the right thing and rise up against this "injustice," just like our Forefathers did.

Most of the letters went on at length about the evils of Government and how "taxation is theft" -- and how this is yet another example of how Government never does anything good, and instead exists for the sole purpose of taking money away from decent, hard-working "Real Americans" and giving it to no-good, lazy, do-nothings.



Finally, some brave soul wrote in to point out the obvious: Eastern Washington has far too few people to be able to pay for its roads, schools, water-treatment systems, etc., etc. All those things we enjoy? They're mostly paid for by taxpayers in the much more populous Western Washington. So, since they are the ones who mostly paid for all our nice roads, and schools, and irrigation systems, etc., etc., isn't it only fair that we shoulder a small fraction of the burden of paying for something they need?


"Go home, you Liberal (possibly Commie, and likely Homosexual) scum!" was the general tenor of the typical response. :deepsigh:






*According to a 2015 study by the Center for Biological Diversity, U.S. taxpayers lost $125 million in 2014, and more than $1 billion over the past decade, due to subsidies on public rangelands. In effect, we pay ranchers to graze their cattle and sheep on public lands, rather than the reverse. On average, the fees that ranchers pay to graze their cattle and sheep on public lands are less than 7% what they would pay to graze them on privately-owned land.

And that $125 million figure doesn't even take into account all the damage done to these lands because of overgrazing and poor grazing practices.
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Apparently, I'm not the only one who had that general thought: The Armed Oregon Ranchers Who Want Free Land Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount.


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You know, if these guys had brown or red skin, and were protesting about a legitimate grievance -- like, say, the mistreatment of Native Americans by our government -- I bet there would have been helicopter gunships on-site PDQ.
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$5 million in cash and safe passage to 1874.
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You know, if these guys had brown or red skin, and were protesting about a legitimate grievance -- like, say, the mistreatment of Native Americans by our government -- I bet there would have been helicopter gunships on-site PDQ.
Well, we've actually got an incident on record for that....Alcatraz Island.
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The President wants to do something about the gun violence. His remarks begin around the 42 minute mark for those in a hurry.


We probably don't need to google around to know what the right wing is saying about this.
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I watched, and it seemed a good persuasive speech. I was kind of thinking, noooo, not now, election coming up! Ixnay on the ungay ontrolcay alktay! Then it occurred that anyone who found the idea of closing the gun show background check loophole objectionable wasn't going to vote for a Democrat anyway.
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I've seen 'al' Shebubba', which I've suggested needs to go to 'aw Shitbubba'.

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