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In America's Heartland, the Nazi Sympathizer Next Door - The New York Times

After this steaming pile of horseshit, the phrase Vichy Times no longer seems like hyperbole to me.

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In America's Heartland, the Nazi Sympathizer Next Door - The New York Times

After this steaming pile of horseshit, the phrase Vichy Times no longer seems like hyperbole to me.
I think it was a ham-handed attempt, not to normalize Nazis, as has been charged, but to reprise the whole tired “banality of evil” schtick … you know, the most evil people don’t necessarily have horns and hooves (or even orange hair and sixteen chins) but they’re often just ordinary schmucks like you and me (not me) who like Applebee’s!

FAIL.

Meanwhile, LOL
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:35 PM
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I press her on this. In my experience, the band declined since the late 1990s.

“They played ‘Dream On’ and ‘Walk This Way,’” she gushes.

Hadn’t she noticed that Steven Tyler’s vocal quality had significantly deteriorated over the past decade? Didn’t that matter at all?

“Those are her favorite songs!” says her husband. I worry I’m hitting a nerve.
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:09 PM
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Had I been the editor in charge of that Times piece, I would have whipped out my trusty stabby knife -- and the whole issue would have been settled on the spot. :stab:

IOW, the story would have been spiked -- the reporter, too.:yup:
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:29 PM
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I also love (not) the Times’s “we regret” bullshit on the story, particularly this bit:

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The genesis of the story was the aftermath of the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., in August, the terrifying Ku Klux Klan-like images of young white men carrying tiki torches and shouting “Jews will not replace us,” and the subsequent violence that included the killing of a woman, Heather D. Heyer.

Who were those people? We assigned Richard Fausset, one of our smartest thinkers and best writers, to profile one of the far-right foot soldiers at the rally. We ended up settling on Mr. Hovater, who, it turned out, was a few years older than another Ohio man, James Alex Fields Jr., who was charged with murder after the authorities said he drove his car into a crowd of protesters, killing Ms. Heyer.

Our reporter went to Ohio to spend time with Mr. Hovater and submitted several drafts and updates in between assignments that included Hurricane Harvey in Houston, Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico and the Roy Moore campaign in Alabama. The story finally ran online Saturday.
Do you see, hoi polloi? The Times assigned one of its smartest thinkers and best writers to do this shit, so there! :unnod:

Plus, the poor guy was simply inundated with other assignments — Hurricane Harvey! Hurricane Maria! Ray Moore! — so what is the implication here? That we should give the reporter a pass for passing this turd because he was overworked??? Is that it? Because it sure sounds that way!

Are you fucking kidding me?

So you admit the story was a turd but that’s because the reporter was overworked. And who overworked him?

I can’t believe this crap — the story and the “we regret” garbage — is appearing in the New York Times. Well, yes I can. Can anyone say “Judith Miller” and “Jayson Blair”?

Hey Times, instead of systematically cutting staff for the last five years on your way to becoming a more wordy and pompous version of the Podunk Bugle/Gazette, maybe you ought to hire more people, instead of getting rid of them.

Just a thought. :shiftier:
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Old 11-28-2017, 02:17 AM
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It is a bit of a paradox that the democratization of journalism through, let's call it net news, has degraded traditional pay-for-service journalism. I haven't had a news subscription in years. I suspect I'm not alone in that.

Surely news outlets had partisan or philosophical slants well before the internet was ever dreamt of, but it appears to me the collapse of revenue streams at the older organizations has amplified that tendency. As we become more polarized our selectivity for our own political leanings becomes a feedback loop. The inverse of that is when the quest for objectivity turns itself inside out and becomes slavery to neutrality. Hello, President Trump!

I do occasionally contribute to blogs or net based news feeds. None of them are the big names of decades past.

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Old 11-28-2017, 02:32 AM
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The big problem is that when news became extremely capitalistic they began courting advertisers as their main revenue stream, which worked great in magazines and on TV but ads on the internet have been rocky at best and have never pulled the same money per views as other ads. Combined with internet users being more fickle and there's just no current solid revenue stream while at the same time siphoning viewers off their previous mediums.
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I should also note that I know that the turd this reporter passed went through at least five or six editors, and probably more, including the editor of the whole paper. Just unbelievable.

I am staggered.
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Old 11-28-2017, 02:46 AM
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On the plus side, and as someone who has edited or helped edit countless photos, the photography was outstanding. :2thumbsup:
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As I think about it, a story like this would have been ruthlessly scrutinized by a whole bunch of editors. That this got into print is just sickening.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:32 AM
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I want to say a lot more about the Fuck the fucking New York Times' tongue bath of an actual Nazi, and I may when I'm not about to pass out from exhaustion. For now, another big story about media assholes:

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Gross Malpractice by the Mainstream Media Was a Much Bigger Problem Than Fake News in 2016 - Lawyers, Guns & Money

It's probably close to impossible to overstate how generally awful last year's media coverage was. And once again, Fuck the Fucking New York Times.
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Gross Malpractice by the Mainstream Media Was a Much Bigger Problem Than Fake News in 2016 - Lawyers, Guns & Money

It's probably close to impossible to overstate how generally awful last year's media coverage was. And once again, Fuck the Fucking New York Times.



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•If the typical elite editor and top reporter thought that their access to health care was in jeopardy, I guarantee the coverage priorities would be very different.
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•If you think this can’t happen to the Democratic nominee in 2020 — that the media won’t still have a felt need to balance actual scandalous conduct by Trump with inane bullshit about the Democratic candidate, no matter who it is — you’re delusional.
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Today in "Fuck the Fucking New York Times":



If anyone is still giving this dumpster fire of a paper money, I strongly encourage you to stop, and to write them a note explaining that this, their utterly contemptible coverage of anything relating to Hillary Clinton, and their complete unwillingness to own up to any culpability in their coverage are among the reasons for your cancellation. Dollars are seemingly the only thing they understand, so hit them where it counts.
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Oh look, The Hill has Sinclair conspiracy pushers in opinion pieces now.
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It's probably close to impossible to overstate how generally awful last year's media coverage was. And once again, Fuck the Fucking New York Times.
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To reiterate, in just six days, The New York Times ran as many cover stories about Hillary Clinton’s emails as they did about all policy issues combined in the 69 days leading up to the election (and that does not include the three additional articles on October 18, and November 6 and 7, or the two articles on the emails taken from John Podesta.
Not only is the above claim unadulterated bullshit -- and I know firsthand -- it also completely ignores the Times editorial board, which was then, and continues to be, savagely anti-Trump.

Lawyers, Guns and Money is as reliable a news source as Breitbart.

Anyone who believes that the NY Times cost Hillary Clinton the election has a screw loose.

She lost the election because she was a POS candidate. Sorry, erimir. :wave:
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Gosh, it sure is funny how "President" Cheeto Benito constantly attacks the paper that elected him! :lol:
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Lawyers, Guns and Money is as reliable a news source as Breitbart.
What about Columbia Journalism Review, who is the source for the quotes that takes up the bulk of that LGM post?
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I could probably link you all to at least a hundred editorials that the NY Times wrote against Donald Trump during last year’s election — but why bother? You can do your own homework. They’re all archived online!
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Then do it already and stop the childish blustering.
Like can you provide any counter that's more than "Fake news, look it up!"?

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To reiterate, in just six days, The New York Times ran as many cover stories about Hillary Clinton’s emails
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I could probably link you all to at least a hundred editorials that the NY Times
One of these things is not like the other...

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One might even suggest that editorials are far less important than news coverage, period. Even the stuff not in the headline or on the front page.

And anyway, believe davidm: the coverage was not the way the authors in CJR describe it! After all, he went looking for editorials to cherry pick to confirm his argument, whereas they reviewed every front page article from Sept 1 until Election Day 2016. What a ridiculous method. How can you guarantee the data will give the right answer doing it that way?!
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Gosh, it sure is funny how "President" Cheeto Benito constantly attacks the paper that elected him! :lol:
Local man confused why Fox News continues to attack mainstream media even after they shift their coverage in response to Fox News's right-wing critiques.

Also confused by why Israel attacks media that he, by contrast, considers overly pro-Israel.

(Also nobody has claimed that "the NYT elected Trump".)
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I am the very model of a New York Times contrarian.

borked link. here:
https://slate.com/culture/2018/02/i-...ontrarian.html
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NY Times 'Very Concerned' Over Tweets By Its Nazi-Befriending Editorial Board Hire

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