The Killing of Michael Brown and the Ferguson Protests

[Dingfod]

Mugshots, a bar in St. Louis, offered a Michael Brown Special, six shots for $10.

[ImGod]

Originally Posted by Dingfod

Mugshots, a bar in St. Louis, offered a Michael Brown Special, six shots for $10.

Does it come with a Lynchburg lemonade chaser?

[Janet]

Speaking of which, I was reminded over the weekend that some police departments reject high-IQ candidates.

[BrotherMan]

Defended their right to reject high IQ candidates.

[Ari]

Yep, a big aspect of being a Cop is the acceptance of a chain of command and willingness to play as a team. It's one reason why I don't buy the "a few bad apples" claim that is often thrown out. These few bad apples are just the ones that are blatant or have been caught but they wouldn't be there at all if it wasn't tolerated or promoted by higher ups and the gang mentality. It's one of the things that give cops their power is they are trained to move and act as a unit not individuals.

[lisarea]

I actually do buy the few bad apples argument, because the full idiom is "a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch." It means that you need to seek out and eliminate the bad actors in any group, and that when you don't, their corruption spreads until everyone is rotten.

I know the meaning has somehow changed to mean the opposite (because of that stupid song maybe?) but I like to pretend it hasn't and that people are actually acknowledging the problem when they say that.

[Ari]

Sadly I've generally seen it used with "Most cops are good guys."
The full use is pretty accurate, unfortunately the few bad apples aren't that few and they are in positions of authority.

[Dingfod]

They're not good guys if they don't bust the bad ones.

[Ari]

Killings by police top 1000 in 2014 alone.
The creator of a citizen run database went looking for stats assuming they have to be kept somewhere and found very little. It turns out the FBI's stats are voluntarily given to them and many areas don't bother to keep tabs on how many people they kill or aren't willing to hand the information over.

Given that 8 months of 2013 saw 748 deaths by police and it's starting to look like cops kill around 3 people a day. If this trend holds true this means that since 9/11 ~13,000 people have been killed by the cops, or almost double those killed in 9/11 and the Iraq war combined.

[Ari]

Sean Hannity's favorite witness (Witness #40) also happens to be a racist with brain damage (literal brain damage) who couldn't keep her story straight, and admits that she spent the months between the killing and her first interview reading and watching conservative articles on the case.

A small bit of the bullshit

This so-called witness, a middle-aged white woman, known only to us as "Witness #40," openly stated to FBI investigators a litany of bizarre and disturbing facts about herself, including that she regularly calls African Americans "niggers and apes," helped start a support group for Darren Wilson encouraging kids to make him Christmas cards, and that she only happened to be on Canfield Drive—which is not even in the town she lives in—the exact moment Darren Wilson killed Mike Brown, on a whim "to understand the black race better so I can stop calling Blacks niggers and start calling them people."
...

PAGE 103: Witness now admits getting some of the details of her prior testimony off of the internet.

PAGE 104 : Witness now admits that she did not go to the neighborhood to meet the friend that she previously testified she was going to go meet.

PAGE 115: Prosecutors ask the witness if she could've dreamed she was there or if her medication could make her think she was there if she really wasn't and she could've had a psychotic break.

PAGE 129: Witness continues to insist she was on Canfield Drive, but now admits to lying to the FBI about first seeing Darren Wilson pull up next to Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson. She admits she just read that part online.

It's becoming even more clear why the prosecutor didn't want to prosecute, because even half assing his job would have torn holes in the pro-Darren-Wilson witnesses.

[Angakuk]

All racists are brain damaged. Well maybe not so much "brain damaged" as congenitally and constitutionally incapable of exercising the higher cognitive faculties. They are, to put it simply, sub-human and just not as good as the rest of us normal, non-racist, human beings.

[Ari]

And some allow the jury to hear testimony from someone who has short term memory problems after a car accident and had clearly fabricated most if not all of her story.

[ZEZOZE]

Cops should be big. I don't care if you're male or female, you should be big in stature. You should look like an Alpha. That Ferguson cop looked like a dork. Cops shouldn't look like that. They should be naturally intimidating. That doesn't mean they should be pricks...I happen to think that a person born big is born with a natural sort of power and would usually have better control when it comes to using it...usually.

But these are softer times. We need to let tiny people in. They have rights! As long as they are physically fit...but these average people aren't used to all this power. And now they are dealing with lots of people who are truly the scum of the earth and they are jaded. So when they want to lay the smack down it takes more of them to do it and all those weapons they carry come in handy. And the real criminals aren't so easily intimidated and more likely to fight back, so the wee cops need to hire more wee cops to help each other out. That just gives you more cops to hate and those tiny buggers feel it and it makes them more angry.

NYC used to be a tough place. Tougher and meaner than it is now., but now more people are being killed?

Why?

Because cops are bad people? Well some of you seem pretty awful to me. There are bad people all over the place doing all sorts of things.

The problem is small, average, people. Give me the giant beat cop any day. They know what they're doing. Sure some of them might beat you, but you're more likely to survive that.

[Ari]

So like someone 6' 3" maybe 6' 4" over 200lbs?

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by Ari

So like someone 6' 3" maybe 6' 4" over 200lbs?

i smell a trap

like a big old irish beat cop.

[ZEZOZE]

lol...i forgot he was a tall guy. i burned myself with my own example. dammit. he still looks wimpy. hmm...i still sorta stand by some of what i said


oh well, i tried...

[chunksmediocrites]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

NYC used to be a tough place. Tougher and meaner than it is now., but now more people are being killed?

No, less people are killed by non-police and by police now in NYC than historically.

In 1971, police officers in New York City shot 314 people, killing 93. (In California, the state with the most police involved shootings in 2011, the police shot 183, killing 102.) In 2010, New York City police shot 24, killing 8.

Quick stats gleaned from here on overall murder rate NYC:
1972: 1,691
1990: 2,245
1998: 633
2012: 414

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

All racists are brain damaged. Well maybe not so much "brain damaged" as congenitally and constitutionally incapable of exercising the higher cognitive faculties. They are, to put it simply, sub-human and just not as good as the rest of us normal, non-racist, human beings.

[thanks]

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by chunksmediocrites

No, less people are killed by non-police and by police now in NYC than historically.

Quick stats gleaned from here on overall murder rate NYC:
1972: 1,691
1990: 2,245
1998: 633
2012: 414

Maybe there were less murders because there were more big Irish cops? :-k

i meant killed by police...granted, i based this on a very quick Wiki search.

oh and I was trying too hard. I'll do better next time, chunks!

[lisarea]

Somehow, Witness 40 continues to get even hinkier.

[Dingfod]

I see the possibility of another grand jury being convened in the Michael Brown killing case, this time with a different prosecutor appointed by a different judge.

[Ari]

Alleged prosecutor McCulloch has admitted he knew multiple witnesses were lying and that Witness #40 wasn't even there before they testified but decided ahead of time he allow any nutcase claiming to be a witness to testify in front of the grand jury, after all it's not like it's his job to select the best and most truthful witnesses or anything. There's talk that this may result in him being reviewed by the bar for misconduct.
Also, what a horrible slime bag.
Why won't McCulloch charge Witness #40 with perjury? Time for a special prosecutor, new grand jury

[Dingfod]

Fodder for a redoux of Grand Jury.

[Ari]

Grand Jury Member suing the Prosecutor alleging he threw the case.
Ferguson Grand Juror Suing Prosecutor For Throwing Darren Wilson Case, Putting Mike Brown On Trial

Article

The juror is suing St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch for that legal right, adding that McCulloch mischaracterized the proceedings through and through and presented a “muddled” case, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

In a lawsuit (pdf) that was filed Monday morning, the unnamed juror, who was described as “Grand Juror Doe”, alleged that McCulloch’s statements made to the press after the announcement of the refusal to indict, were completely inaccurate and need to be addressed. But since the law currently prohibits the juror from speaking about what went on in the deliberation process and behind closed doors, that is not something they can do as of yet.

The lawsuit states that in the juror’s “view, the current information available about the grand jurors’ views is not entirely accurate — especially the implication that all grand jurors believed that there was no support for any charges. Moreover, the public characterization of the grand jurors’ view of witnesses and evidence does not accord with [Doe]’s own.”

The juror notes a double standard that McCulloch has been permitted to speak at length about the grand jury’s deliberations – even making false claims about the jurors, what they said, thought and decided – even though he was not present and these alleged statements he is making claims about were not recorded by a court reporter.

It would appear part of this suit is to remove the gag order that current prevents them from talking about things, but allows the prosecutor and police to say anything they want.

I don't think it will take much effort to show the case was thrown. Hell, this case makes ones like the Zimmerman trial look fair and sane in comparison.

[Ari]

During a candle light vigil in Ferguson two white men were seen on a roof shooting at protesters, grazing one and shooting out the windows of a car with 2 3 year old kids inside. We will see if this even makes the news.