Zimmerman to be charged

[BrotherMan]

I think I saw him too. He was def up to something.

[Stormlight]

You bleeding heart pinko morons make me laugh. When the guy robs your house and rapes your dog you'll sing a different tune.

[Watser?]

I wonder what tune they'll sing when he dogs your house and rapes your Rob.

[Clutch Munny]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

YOU GUYS this morning I was on the bus and I looked out the window and saw some dude walking along the sidewalk, and he just cold got away, why did nobody shoot that guy? Because, you know, heat of the moment when I looked out the bus window and saw that guy walking along the sidewalk.

Was he up to Black? Because someone should have shot him before he Blacked away.

[yguy]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

As far as I'm concerned, the established facts of the case point to murder, not self-defense, not manslaughter. The disputed facts -- whether Trayvon was whupping him when he was shot -- are irrelevant, imo. Zimmerman's recklessness

I'll cop to not being aware of every factoid surrounding this case, but if that is an established fact it's certainly news to me.

was in direct contravention not just of basic neighborhood watch principles

You do understand that those are rendered moot the instant a "neighborhood watchman" accurately perceives a clear and present danger to his personal safety, right? And for that matter, how is his association with that organization even germane, given that no citizen requires its imprimatur to take reasonable steps (regardless of whether Zimmerman's actions can be so described) to satisfy himself that activity conducted in public is benign?

but also of the explicit instructions the 911 operator gave him.

How does "We don't need you to [follow him]" count as an instruction? And if it doesn't, what instructions are you talking about?

That's what makes him a murderer.

I invite you to elaborate on how you get from your stated premises to this conclusion, or to add whatever premises you deem necessary; because taken at face value your reasoning strikes me as spectacularly retarded.

[Watser?]

He's a murderer because he shot someone in cold blood. He's not even denying it. Pretty simple really, or it would be in any civilised country.

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Watser?

He's a murderer because he shot someone in cold blood. Pretty simple really, or it would be in any civilised country.

The defense theory is that the actual shooting may not have been in cold blood, just his choices about how to arrange a circumstance where it would come up.

[ChuckF]

Could be Zimmerman reasonably believed Trayvon was a (reverse) vampire!

[Ari]

Originally Posted by yguy

You do understand that those are rendered moot the instant a "neighborhood watchman" accurately perceives a clear and present danger to his personal safety, right?

Zimmerman: (safe in his car) "…Shit he's running."
Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah"
Dispatcher: "Ok, we don't need you to do that."

Clearly Zimmerman was in serious danger when the kid with skittles in his pocket ran away from him and he pursued.
Those who support the self defense claims of an aggressor should also have no problems with robbers killing home owners that threaten them, after all it's 'self defense.'

In California if you escalate the situation or are the first to bring out deadly force, you pretty much nullify your claims to self defense. Florida on the other hand seems to treat 'black' as a deadly weapon.

[LadyShea]

Assault with a deadly Black

[Demimonde]

If anyone was using self defense, it was Trayvon.

If I had been followed by a strange guy in an SUV, chased down, cornered in a private backyard and fought back against my pursuer, it would be clear that I was utilizing self defense against a stranger acting aggressively towards me. It wouldn't even be questioned, regardless of what the man who chased me down was saying.

But I am a white woman, not a black kid.

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

If anyone was using self defense, it was Trayvon.

If I had been followed by a strange guy in an SUV, chased down, cornered in a private backyard and fought back against my pursuer, it would be clear that I was utilizing self defense against a stranger acting aggressively towards me. It wouldn't even be questioned, regardless of what the man who chased me down was saying.

But I am a white woman, not a black kid.

You know... that's a point. I've never seen it discussed before, but presumably "self defense" is not a legal defense in cases where you're defending yourself against someone who is only fighting you because you started something.

[BrotherMan]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Assault with a deadly Black

Black with Blackly Black.

[yguy]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

If I had been followed by a strange guy in an SUV, chased down, cornered in a private backyard and fought back against my pursuer, it would be clear that I was utilizing self defense against a stranger acting aggressively towards me. It wouldn't even be questioned,

Oh, it most certainly would, if you didn't have the foresight to have someone record the entire incident, and members of Congress and prominent men's rights activists were calling you a murderer on national meida outlets.

[Demimonde]

That is insane.

Keep in mind, in my scenario I am Trayvon, so I would actually be dead in this situation, killed by the creepy guy following me with a gun.

My killer on the other hand, would have been arrested on the spot, regardless to whether or not I had bloodied his nose before he killed me.

[wei yau]

Originally Posted by BrotherMan

Black with Blackly Black.

Im black yall CB4 - YouTube

[yguy]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

That is insane.

I don't see how. Experience suggests you don't either.

Keep in mind, in my scenario I am Trayvon,

Not sure how I was supposed to know that, but OK.

so I would actually be dead in this situation, killed by the creepy guy following me with a gun.

How do you know Zimmerman was still following Martin when they encountered each other?

My killer on the other hand, would have been arrested on the spot, regardless to whether or not I had bloodied his nose before he killed me.

That would be a reasonable LE response if, as is generally the case in a male vs female situation, you were not a physical match for your assailant; otherwise, not necessarily. If there is conslusive evidence that an athletic guy 6'3" and 140(?)# cannot possibly be a physical match for a guy 5'9" and 240#, I'm not aware of it.

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by yguy

Not sure how I was supposed to know that, but OK.

By reading what was written, dude!

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by yguy

Not sure how I was supposed to know that, but OK.

Rudimentary reading comprehension, perhaps?

Maybe you should start slow with a few foam books and work your way up to adult dialogue from there.

[Demimonde]

How do you know Zimmerman was still following Martin when they encountered each other?

There was a witness. Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend while he was being pursued. It has been reported that she was still on the line with him when Zimmerman confronted him.

The girl relayed the conversation in an interview with a lawyer:

He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man...I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.

Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone.

Her testimony was submitted in the affidavit for probable cause.

That would be a reasonable LE response if, as is generally the case in a male vs female situation, you were not a physical match for your assailant; otherwise, not necessarily. If there is conslusive evidence that an athletic guy 6'3" and 140(?)# cannot possibly be a physical match for a guy 5'9" and 240#, I'm not aware of it.

Yeah, because it isn't like one of them had a gun or anything.

[seebs]

"Reasonable match" is not a relevant criterion. It might be used to utterly disqualify claims of self-defense in cases where it's obviously impossible that the person claiming that could have been in any danger. But past that... that you might have been in danger is an argument for a jury in an actual trial, it's not a reason to let you walk without at the very least investigating what happened.

[Sauron]

LOL

I always enjoy watching Chief Justice yguy come online here every 2 or 3 months, make some asinine claims, and then get his ass handed to him. I guess we should start the countdown timer again for his next appearance in 2 or 3 months, after he gets through licking his wounds.

[SR71]

Originally Posted by yguy

I don't see how. Experience suggests you don't either.

Not sure how I was supposed to know that, but OK.

How do you know Zimmerman was still following Martin when they encountered each other?

That would be a reasonable LE response if, as is generally the case in a male vs female situation, you were not a physical match for your assailant; otherwise, not necessarily. If there is conslusive evidence that an athletic guy 6'3" and 140(?)# cannot possibly be a physical match for a guy 5'9" and 240#, I'm not aware of it.

I was considered p. light in the ass at a smidge less then 5' 8" at 140 lol 15 years and 15 pounds ago. The kid would have been a wraith if those are his true numbers.

[yguy]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

There was a witness. Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend while he was being pursued.

[...]

I asked how you knew; and since the basis of your claim is the testimony of a witness of untested credibility, obviously you don't.

Yeah, because it isn't like one of them had a gun or anything.

WRT of the point of contention it doesn't matter unless Martin knew Zimmerman was armed, and even in the conversation as represented by his GF in your link there is no such indication.

[ChuckF]

OH MY GOD YOU GUYS the guy I saw walking along the sidewalk this morning, while I was riding the bus? He was taller than me, and still nobody shot that guy!