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08-23-2017, 07:00 PM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: More blithe racism
I see your point, but it's not the same thing. Muslims are an oppressed minority in Western countries. Men and white people... aren't.
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08-23-2017, 07:04 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
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I see your point, but it's not the same thing. Muslims are an oppressed minority in Western countries. Men and white people... aren't.
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That's precisely my point. A rhetorical tool to justify - or shut down criticism of - generalisations is a double edged sword, and it will be used in situations where it is not appropriate (oppressed minorities) just as easily as when it is appropriate (men and white people).
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08-23-2017, 07:40 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
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I see your point, but it's not the same thing. Muslims are an oppressed minority in Western countries. Men and white people... aren't.
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That's precisely my point. A rhetorical tool to justify - or shut down criticism of - generalisations is a double edged sword, and it will be used in situations where it is not appropriate (men and white people) just as easily as when it is appropriate (oppressed minorities).
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But it should be easy to counter that, because a second-grader should be able to understand why the situations of Muslims and men/white people in western countries aren't comparable. No one's proposing banning men from the country based on the actions of a few. Our president* is proposing exactly that with Muslims. I mean, yes, I'm sure someone will try what you've described. I just think it's an easy technique to counter, because it's easy to explain why the groups' situations are different. I don't expect it to work on anyone who's not a Faux News viewer.
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08-23-2017, 07:44 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
I have been noticing recently that a lot of people who toss around hashtags and little slogans like that kind of don't have much behind it. Like, they mean well, I suppose, and they're making the right noises, but they have wildly differing interpretations of what things mean, and a lot of them are really tied up in their own little bubbles. Like they're big fans of "common sense" and can't articulate what their positions really are.
I'm all for shorthand terms and neologisms and things when they have a clear, concrete meaning that you can refer to, but I've just seen so much clueless repetition of things like that that I've started to side eye almost anything that would fit on a bumpersticker or even a tweet.
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08-23-2017, 08:00 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
#NotAllHashtags!
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08-23-2017, 08:36 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: More blithe racism
Like all memes, context is important.
#notallmen came about when people were talking about shitty things men do under the general assumption that one can assume they aren't talking about literally all men, only to have some dude who feels attacked by their discussion jumping in and shouting #notallmen and then refocusing the discussion on himself.
#notallmuslims would be the opposite of this as we know there are groups that do believe the majority if not all muslims are all part of the same terrorist group.
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08-23-2017, 09:42 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
Given how long it seemed to take to drum into people the idea that generalisations based on small samples are wrong, it seems you're a lot more optimistic than I am that an extra level of nuance can be properly disseminated in this brave new world of 140 characters.
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08-23-2017, 09:44 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
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08-26-2017, 06:40 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
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08-27-2017, 05:52 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
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I see your point, but it's not the same thing. Muslims are an oppressed minority in Western countries. Men and white people... aren't.
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what about male white muslims?
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08-27-2017, 07:27 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: More blithe racism
This is America, we have a whole spectrum of oppression!
I do wonder what the percentage of white dude Muslims are, of the few people I've known who converted, all were amusingly women.
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08-28-2017, 12:13 AM
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Re: More blithe racism
didn't you guys do some bombing over there in former Yugoslavia? that was back when Clinton was killing 100's of thousands of Iraqis with paperwork. ya know: the good ol days. anyhow, there were a whole bunch of Muslims involved in that Yugo shit and they were all pretty white looking. I mean they were swarthy compared to my lily-white ass, but they weren't brown or Arab.
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08-28-2017, 01:52 AM
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Re: More blithe racism
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I see your point, but it's not the same thing. Muslims are an oppressed minority in Western countries. Men and white people... aren't.
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what about male white muslims?
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They may be oppressed for being muslims, but not for being white or male (at least in so-called western countries). It's called intersectionality.
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08-28-2017, 06:40 AM
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Re: More blithe racism
I thought about making that point but then I remembered there was no point in talking to ZEZOZE.
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Re: More blithe racism
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I thought about making that point but then I remembered there was no point in talking to ZEZOZE.
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i heard that!
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Re: More blithe racism
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09-02-2017, 02:23 AM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: More blithe racism
Here's your semi-regular reminder that the far right murders people on a regular basis.
Click the Twitter thread for an article from the Gruaniad with more info.
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Re: More blithe racism
...measuring skulls.
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09-02-2017, 06:14 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: More blithe racism
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...measuring skulls.
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I like how you twice bring up a point mentioned in the article itself.
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09-02-2017, 10:43 PM
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Re: More blithe racism
But the skulls, Ari...the skulls
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09-06-2017, 04:14 AM
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Re: More blithe racism
Hadn't heard of this until now: Shirley Q Liquor is a white man in blackface doing a stereotypical black woman.
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Don't read the comment, Nathan!
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True, every once in a while someone would strike a contrarian note and cautiously suggest there was something a little, well, problematic, about a white man putting on black face to make fun of black people and depict African-American culture as a comic cesspool of ignorance and poverty. But for the most part the commenters seemed to be in agreement on at least two crucial matters. Firstly, they all seem to agree Shirley Q. Liquor was absolutely hilarious, and true to life, and less a crude racist stereotype than a loving and affectionate tribute to black womanhood. Secondly, just about everyone agreed that there was absolutely nothing remotely racist about a white man putting on blackface to play a character named Shirley Q. Liquor and that anyone with the audacity to see racism in a dude doing sub-Amos n’ Andy material in 2017 was obviously racist themselves and was projecting their own racism onto an innocent, blameless truth teller who was just trying to bring people together through healing laughter.
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09-09-2017, 06:54 AM
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