Health Care Reform Dead

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by Jerome

... nice mouthpiece for the NHS.

Tell me more about how expanding medial knowledge is a bad thing.

You are such a hypocrite. If the tables were turned, you would jump on that one like a cat on a feather, and draw a comparison no Nazi medical experimentation on human subjects despite the atrocious suffering.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

LOLGOP on Twitter: ""AMERICA IS ABOUT TO GUT OUR SOCIAL SAFETY NET TO PAY FOR TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH," I JUST YELLED AT A NISSAN CUBE THAT CUT ME OFF"



And reminder to nag your senators:

Nag nag nag.

[MonCapitan2002]

Originally Posted by erimir

The ACA was not a Republican proposal. "Romneycare" was not a Republican proposal either, and it's a misnomer to call it that, which gives credit to Romney for things which were not his ideas, including things he opposed.

No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal - The American Prospect

It was perhaps useful to promote this misconception at one point, in order to paint the GOP as hypocrites. Which they were, when it came specifically to the insurance mandate. That was a feature of the Heritage plan, and the GOP only attacked the mandate as unconstitutional after it became part of the Democratic plan. But otherwise the features of the plans are not similar. Republicans have not so much had "expand Medicaid" or "pay for subsidies to the poor with taxes on the rich" as part of their plans, which is why Obamacare is not a Republican plan.

Thanks for the article. I've read that oft quoted line and never really questioned it. Based on the article you linked, it sounds like the Heritage Plan and the ACA are substantially different. Also, the Supreme Court did handicap the ACA by making the Medicaid expansion voluntary, thus allowing Republican governors to commit mass murder by proxy in their refusal to expand Medicaid in their states.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by MonCapitan2002

Also, the Supreme Court did handicap the ACA by making the Medicaid expansion voluntary, thus allowing Republican governors to commit mass murder by proxy in their refusal to expand Medicaid in their states.

So Obama was committing mass murder before ACA was passed? Was LBJ committing mass murder when he signed Medicaid into law, because it did not have the expansions in the ACA?

This is why liberals are laughed at as a joke.

[Jerome]

Vivisectus, nice deflection from the NHS literally killing to prevent a person from receiving potentially life saving medical treatment, for the purpose of not looking bad if it works in the USA.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

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— NARAL (@NARAL) July 24, 2017

Or if the link on that Tweet is fail, look here: https://www.indivisibleguide.com/

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Vivisectus, nice deflection from the NHS literally killing to prevent a person from receiving potentially life saving medical treatment, for the purpose of not looking bad if it works in the USA.

Nice deflection from the fact you are literally advocating we experiment on suffering babies with irreversible brain damage in order to gain medical knowledge just to *insert conspiracy theory here*.

Hey, this is easy!

[Ari]

Oh look they're voting on a Bill they haven't read, where's Jerome "I hate both sides" to bitch about that?

[erimir]

It's outrageous that the NHS won't cover millions in dollars worth of extremely-likely-to-fail treatment that insurance companies also almost certainly wouldn't cover, but it's not outrageous for the GOP to decide that thousands of dollars in health insurance subsidies for someone working class with, say, a treatable cancer just isn't worth it/we can't afford it.

But I like how conservatives pretend when it's the government saying "this baby can't survive, and it will cost millions just to extend his suffering and he won't get better" that it's the horror of horrors... but when a middle-aged woman working a waitress job gets breast cancer and it's totally treatable, but she can't afford health insurance under Republican policies

[lisarea]

Shorter Trump: He'll save the children, but just the British children.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Ahh, McCain, something special about a guy taking a break from his taxpayer funded cancer treatment to see to it others won't get any of that shit.

[The Lone Ranger]

Won't someone please think of the billionaires?

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemoc...9041247188923/

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by erimir

... but when a middle-aged woman working a waitress job gets breast cancer and it's totally treatable, but she can't afford health insurance

...because liberals love to tax the wages of workers.

Why is it none of you advocating not taxing health-care?

Why is it none of you advocate not taxing the labor of the worker person?

You are all fascists in disguise, that's why. You are a fraud.

[Jerome]

Vivisectus, keep telling yourself that the NHS dehydrating people to death that are too expensive to care for is the good and proper role of government.

[Jerome]

Ohh, and the NHS will not even allow those parents to take their child home to die, apparently the NHS needs to make sure the child dies.

Sick fucking satanists.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

NEVADA: we've updated your daily call script based on what Heller has said in last few hours. 1/

— Indivisible Guide (@IndivisibleTeam) July 26, 2017

Oh Nevada! :musicalnotes:

[Jerome]

According to the NHS themselves, 40,000 patients die in NHS hospitals each year from dehydration.

The British Red Cross reports two patients a day die in NHS hospitals from starvation.

Talk about lack of human rights .. food and water is the least that a hospital should be providing.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Dude talking about stuff going on outside the news cycle:

1- Some thoughts on the ACA repeal vote today shortly.

If you're watching things aren't what they seem.

Follow if interested.

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) July 26, 2017

Click in for short read.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

And remember, when Jerome is flapping his arms in a panic, call your senators.

[Jerome]

A memorial gallery of patients who died at Stafford General Hospital on the wall at the headquarters of campaign group Cure the NHS

1,200 deaths at just this one hospital:

[erimir]

Originally Posted by Jerome

...because liberals love to tax the wages of workers.

Why is it none of you advocating not taxing health-care?

Why is it none of you advocate not taxing the labor of the worker person?

You are all fascists in disguise, that's why. You are a fraud.

If we assume the waitress makes $30k/yr, she'd owe around $2500 in federal income tax (let's say she's in Texas so she doesn't owe any state income tax). She'd also be paying a similar amount in FICA taxes, but I haven't heard any conservatives calling for workers to pay nothing into Social Security or Medicare.

You think $2500 is going to cover health insurance for a middle-aged woman with breast cancer without the ACA protections for pre-existing conditions and bans on lifetime limits?

Income tax isn't the reason that many sick people couldn't get health insurance before the ACA.

I appreciate that you didn't bother denying that you don't care about death panels when it's a private insurer deciding that a sick, poor patient just isn't profitable though.

I mean, how many private insurers that a working class family could afford would be covering flying your baby across the Atlantic for treatment that will likely fail?

[Jerome]

Nice trick removing the majority of this person's wages taxes ... as if they don;t exist.

And yes, someone earning $30k, without wage taxes on their labor, certainly could afford private health insurance, at least before the ACA which instituted regulations which skyrocketed the costs.

[erimir]

So you mean like, coverage that won't cover the full cost of cancer treatment?

Yes, insurance that doesn't actually cover the care you need certainly is cheaper.

[Jerome]

Nope, I don't mean that insurance.

I am an employer, I know about insurance, and I know what it cost before and after, and know what it covered before and after. Your propaganda can not defeat my lived reality.

Btw, your hypothetical person living in a liberal dominated state like Maryland would have collected from their labor a total of approximately $6,625 yearly.

Tell me some more about how taxing health-care and the labor of the working class is good for these people.

[Jerome]

Ermir, you should advocate that one can buy car insurance after they have an accident!

Moron, you don't understand the basic concept of insurance.

How about buying life insurance after death!!