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03-28-2017, 03:52 AM
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happy now, Mussolini?
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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Um, OK. Exhibit A.
Exhibit B.
From Are You Experienced?
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Will I live tomorrow?
Well I just can't say.
Will I live tomorrow?
Well, I just can't say.
But I know for sure
I Don't Live Today.
- Jimi Hendrix, 1967
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03-28-2017, 11:54 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
NYT, failed paper printing fake news. So sad!
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03-29-2017, 02:51 AM
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happy now, Mussolini?
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
But Hendrix was right on the money.
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04-06-2017, 10:52 PM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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04-10-2017, 04:32 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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04-20-2017, 11:12 PM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
Sylvia Moy, Motown’s first female producer and the co-author of hits such as Marvin Gaye’s “It Takes Two” and Stevie Wonder’s “Uptight (Everything’s Alright)”, “I Was Made to Love Her”, and “My Cherie Amour”, has died at age 78. She broke a number of barriers at Motown, to say the least.
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04-21-2017, 12:58 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
Aaron Hernandez, NFL football player and convicted murderer, died yesterday. They are calling it suicide.
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04-21-2017, 01:18 AM
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happy now, Mussolini?
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
Somehow not feeling it for this one.
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04-21-2017, 01:23 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
However you feel about it, he was famous and now he's dead.
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04-21-2017, 01:48 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
I don’t really feel bad for him specifically, but his suicide does sort of raise an issue about prison conditions in this country, because they’re so horrible that a lot of people would rather commit suicide than face life in prison. Life imprisonment strikes me as intrinsically troubling, because, particularly with the conditions in our prison system, it’s essentially a sentence to death by (emotional) torture.
To be clear, I don’t believe some people can be rehabilitated, and the only two choices for those people are either to kill them (which is far too great a power to trust to the state) or to keep them in prison (or a mental institution, I guess) for life. But life sentences without parole are themselves incredibly cruel, and outside of extreme cases like Anders Breivik and Dylann Roof, I don’t think we can know ahead of time who is incapable of being rehabilitated. It’s also not proper to make legislation based on edge cases, because most people aren’t such clear psychopaths, and trusting the judicial system to identify those psychopaths reliably is giving it far too much power, particularly given its clear biases racially and otherwise.
Still, the point of “when does someone cease being a danger to the public, and how can we identify it?” is a good question that deserves serious investigation. But societies with prison systems that focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment have surprisingly low recidivism rates (much lower than American citizens would expect them to), so it appears that they are fairly good at identifying it.
Norway has a maximum initial sentence of twenty-one years, IIRC. They also have a review process whereby, if a prisoner is deemed a continued danger to the public, they will not be released for as long as that continues to be the case (I believe they investigate this in two-year intervals). As I said, their recidivism rate is quite low. I doubt that Breivik will ever be allowed to leave prison, because he will probably never be rehabilitated. At the same time, I’m not comfortable with a justice system that unilaterally declares that a given person cannot be rehabilitated, because such a system will inevitably implement such judgements in biased manners (racially or otherwise). Furthermore, a surprising number of people do appear to be capable of rehabilitation. Varg Vikernes is still a far-right-wing shithead, for example, but there’s been no sign that he’s repeated the crimes that got him imprisoned since being released (arson and murder), nor that he is particularly likely to do so.
Another problem is that people can be falsely convicted for life imprisonment just as they can for the death penalty, and death penalty prisoners often get far more attention from activists trying to free those wrongly imprisoned than those imprisoned for life do, because of the inevitability of a death penalty. But if you are wrongly imprisoned for life and never get out, you’ve been murdered by the state just as much as you have been if you were given the death penalty.
So, yeah, don’t really give a shit that Hernandez killed himself in and of itself. There appears to be no reasonable doubt of his guilt and he seemed substantially less likely to be rehabilitated than a number of other people who receive life imprisonment sentences do. But the concept of life imprisonment is troubling overall, and it’s a topic that deserves far more consideration.
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04-21-2017, 03:49 AM
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happy now, Mussolini?
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
My roommate has a theory that Hernandez actually killed the people for which he was acquitted earlier this week and his conscience finally got to him, so he offed himself. I don't buy that, because I don't think Hernandez had a conscience, though it is possible that his lawyers were right and the prosecution's witness Alex Bradley was the real killer. But either way, Hernandez probably saw little point in continuing an existence so barren relative to the life he had before he was convicted of murder. I suspect the prison system is also far less sensitive to intervening in cases of depression than "the outside world" is -- unlikely anyone noticed or took seriously that Hernandez may have been exhibiting signs of suicidal ideation before he killed himself.
Interesting observations about our penal system, The Man. If the idea is to punish people, and all there is to subjective reality is this life, then IMHO life in prison is far more a punishment than execution, where the "suffering" inherent in life and especially in a life in prison quickly comes to a merciful end (well, maybe, if lethal injection actually worked as promised). I can't think of any greater punishment than to restrict all the vistas of the rest of one's experience to a 6x8 cell. If punishment is the goal, then keeping murderers alive as long as possible while completely restricting their liberties is greatest possible punishment, since executing them ends any more pain or...anything. If that is the case, then the Massachusetts prison system failed in it's mission to "punish" Hernandez for the murder of Odin Lloyd by not keeping him under closer observation and allowing his suicide to occur. Also, since his case was on automatically on appeal and he can no longer participate in that process, he is actually now no longer a convicted murderer (according to the legal principle of abatement ab initio).
Another observation I will add are the conflicting Christian ideals embedded in the American criminal justice system. Americans can't decide whether the point is the "Old Testamentism" of prison conditions and/or execution being both punishment and deterrence (which as far as the latter is concerned they never are, since almost no one who commits a crime operates under the belief they will be caught, even when committing capital crimes) versus whether prisons should rehabilitate and reform criminals in accordance with the New Testament idea of redemption...While many Christians believe that they themselves can be "redeemed," my observation has been that most Americans are of the "eye for an eye" sort of Old Testament Christians when considering the potential rehabilitation of criminals, convicted or otherwise.
Both types also rely on the assumption on a "hereafter," which is mostly all they have in common, but both miss the real point i.e., that there is no evidence whatsoever of subjective reality once consciousness ceases. While Christians of either sort are in agreement Hernandez is now continuing his punishment for all eternity in Hell (with the exception of Unitarian Universalists), the reality is that his punishment ended as soon as he lost consciousness.
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04-23-2017, 07:27 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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04-24-2017, 03:16 PM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
This was last month, but I was not informed promptly.
Bernie Wrightson, co-creator of Swamp Thing, died 18 March.
Unspeakable Vault of Doom had this homage:
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04-24-2017, 07:02 PM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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I was thinking "wow, 56 seems awfully young for a Happy Days Star."
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Moran was just 14 when she signed on to play Ron Howard’s sister in the family comedy, which aired from 1974 to 1984.
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That'll do it.
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04-25-2017, 05:10 AM
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happy now, Mussolini?
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance author Robert M. Pirsig dead at 88
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"Quality . . . you know what it is, yet you don't know what it is. But that's self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that is, they have more quality. But when you try to say what the quality is, apart from the things that have it, it all goes poof! There's nothing to talk about. But if you can't say what Quality is, how do you know what it is, or how do you know that it even exists? If no one knows what it is, then for all practical purposes it doesn't exist at all. But for all practical purposes it really does exist."
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Robert M. Pirsig works on a motorcycle in 1975.
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04-26-2017, 09:13 AM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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04-26-2017, 11:26 AM
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This is the perfect news item. I got bored of counting how many sites already carry it. United Airlines are already a target for mockery / anger / hatred. And who doesn't at least like bunnies? (OK, Anya.) Plus, world's largest! .. except not yet, only "destined"! They didn't just destroy the bunny they destroyed his future potential!
Simon was pronounced fit by a vet 3 hours before the flight.
Perhaps he wasn't dressed according to their code? Or they needed the space for an employee's pet?
Maybe he just couldn't take the thought of being sent to O'Hare airport.
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04-26-2017, 07:42 PM
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05-18-2017, 09:46 AM
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05-18-2017, 12:33 PM
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I'll be benched for a week if I keep these shenanigans up.
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
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Hope it was a sweet ride.
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05-18-2017, 02:39 PM
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
On a less depressing note, Roger Ailes is also dead.
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05-18-2017, 07:19 PM
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Is there a German word for being extremely saddened about one death at the same time as one is extremely gladdened by another? Because there should be one.
I wrote this elsewhere:
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This one is going to hit me hard, I can tell. 52 is no age at all. Soundgarden's output is some of the finest rock or metal of the '90s; how many of their contemporaries can boast a streak of albums like Badmotorfinger, Superunknown, and Down on the Upside? And Chris' voice was just... peerless. Soundgarden's albums were so important to my musical development, and now a major part of them is just... gone. Like that. Completely without warning. I don't know what to say in response to something like that. R.I.P., Chris, and thanks for the music.
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Reports are now suggesting that Cornell’s death was a suicide. Horrible.
Regarding Ailes, my only disappointment is that he didn’t die decades earlier, but at least he got stripped of all his power in a humiliating fashion before he did. Alongside Rupert Murdoch and Newt Gingrich, I’m having a difficult time thinking of anyone else who did more long-term damage to this country over the past century. There may be a few others who did comparable amounts, but I can’t think of anyone who did more. It is also important to note, since so many reports about Ailes’ death don’t, that he was a serial rapist. I’m having a difficult time thinking of a death I’d have been gladder to hear about, other than the president*’s.
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05-18-2017, 07:24 PM
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Adequately Crumbulent
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Re: BREAKING: Sometimes Famous People Die
Oh great. Not the secret service will be linking to the
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05-18-2017, 08:09 PM
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I realise you're probably joking, but the Secret Service investigates threats and advocacy of assassination. I studiously avoided doing either. Saying you'll be glad when someone dies ≠ saying someone should kill them.
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