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Old 05-01-2011, 12:16 AM
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But just in case he IS a jester, don't lynch him.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:17 AM
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:17 AM
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What is the reward for a jester? It has always seemed like a stupid role to me. Get yourself lynched = profit?
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:20 AM
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Jesters win the game by getting lynched. In some setups it's called Fool.
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What is the reward for a jester? It has always seemed like a stupid role to me. Get yourself lynched = profit?
You "win" if you get lynched. I have never found them to be a fun addition to the game, either for the joker or for the town.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:22 AM
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I think he's lying and expects us to take his word for it.

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Do you have information we do not, Nightson, that would tell you without a doubt raven is scum?
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:22 AM
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Either way, I can't help but think with something like that and no cop claim, something smells.

If he was a cop with a N0 read and got scum he'd have come out and said "HEY GUYS I AM THE COP AND I GOT A N0 SCUM READ" - this is standard mafia protocol, you claim when you get one and Nightson knows this - so the fact that he didn't says to me one of two things:

- Nightson benefits somehow from lynching ravenscape
- Nightson has to get someone lynched
- Nightson has to get himself lynched
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:22 AM
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That's it? Wow.
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Let's assume for a moment that Nightson is telling the truth.

This means he has or is one of the following or something I haven't thought of yet:
- An unconfirmed mason.
- An unconfirmed lover.
I totally don't get how these work at all and it's bugging me.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:23 AM
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Let's assume for a moment that Nightson is telling the truth.

This means he has or is one of the following or something I haven't thought of yet:
- A N0 view.
- An unconfirmed mason.
- An unconfirmed lover.
- A usurper playing a very early gambit.

Or, he's lying and he:
- Has an ability that empowers him somehow if he is the first to vote for, and/or successfully drives, a lynch.
- Has a "lyncher" type role that compels him to vote for a lynch right away. Another variation is that his win condition is to lynch a certain person, and he will therefore probably start something like this every day until he hits the person he is supposed to hit.
- Is a jester employing a high risk/high reward method to get himself lynched right off the bat.

Any other ideas?
He has to lynch a certain role in order to gain an action? It is not a win condition per se, but it could be beneficial to town. *shrugs*

Only I don't think that he would know right off the bat that it was Raven (unless he is the seer and there was a pre-game night action? Doubtful, though.) and so he is going to have to put up a better argument then, "She is scum. Vote for her."
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:23 AM
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That's it? Wow.
Sorry, that was at the Joker explanations.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:24 AM
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Let's assume for a moment that Nightson is telling the truth.

This means he has or is one of the following or something I haven't thought of yet:
- An unconfirmed mason.
- An unconfirmed lover.
I totally don't get how these work at all and it's bugging me.
A mason is someone who can talk to another player out of thread, they are linked but sometimes they're not confirmed - this means one may or may not be town.

Lovers are linked and if one dies the other follows suit.

I'm guessing you're neither, or feigning ignorance... but I'm leaning toward neither.
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I think he's lying and expects us to take his word for it.

unvote; vote Nightson

Do you have information we do not, Nightson, that would tell you without a doubt raven is scum?
Hey gonzo, same original question for Jerome, reprinted for ease.

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Assuming the set of possibilities

I am town and know Raven is scum
I am town and do not know Raven is scum
I am scum and know Raven is town
I am scum and know Raven is scum

Please give what you think is the rough probability of each possibility being true.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:25 AM
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Either way, I'd really like an explanation here.

unvote; vote Nightson
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:26 AM
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maybe there is a simpler explanation. Maybe Nightson thinks he remembers something about how I played a scum game over a year ago at TR, and thinks he's seeing the same thing in this game.

Though I don't get why you wouldn't just say that if it's the basis of your vote, Nightson. The only game I remember playing with you where I was scum was actually an Assassins game, not mafia per se.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:27 AM
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I am town and know Raven is scum
I am town and do not know Raven is scum
I am scum and know Raven is town
I am scum and know Raven is scum
10% - 40% - 25% - 25%
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:28 AM
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Honestly though, forget those numbers because I don't have enough information to make those figures really relevant.
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If the jester gets himself lynched can town still win by killing all the scum or is it game over? No, that doesn't make sense. Right?
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:30 AM
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I will say one thing though, this is a pretty good start to day one. I hate the random phase and you threw us out of it within hours of the thread being posted.
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I think he's lying and expects us to take his word for it.

unvote; vote Nightson

Do you have information we do not, Nightson, that would tell you without a doubt raven is scum?
Hey gonzo, same original question for Jerome, reprinted for ease.

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Assuming the set of possibilities

I am town and know Raven is scum
I am town and do not know Raven is scum
I am scum and know Raven is town
I am scum and know Raven is scum

Please give what you think is the rough probability of each possibility being true.
Hey Nightson, put forth a better argument...the burden of proof (or at least a convincing argument) lies with you, since you are the one making the claim.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:33 AM
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Unvote

I have a concern that he is a Jester. I would rather leave him until tomorrow.

If he is Town then all he is doing is giving half information or a lie to Town, this doesn't help either way.

Busing a Scum teammate at the beginning of Day 1 seems too ridiculous, but who knows.

Whatever he is, this move is not Town friendly.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:34 AM
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I think he's lying and expects us to take his word for it.

unvote; vote Nightson

Do you have information we do not, Nightson, that would tell you without a doubt raven is scum?
Hey gonzo, same original question for Jerome, reprinted for ease.

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Assuming the set of possibilities

I am town and know Raven is scum
I am town and do not know Raven is scum
I am scum and know Raven is town
I am scum and know Raven is scum

Please give what you think is the rough probability of each possibility being true.
Would you please explain you quip to me, Nightson? I'm not following you, but that doesn't look like an answer to the question I asked you.
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If the jester gets himself lynched can town still win by killing all the scum or is it game over? No, that doesn't make sense. Right?
In the games I've played that had a jester, if the jester was lynched on the appointed day, he/she won, and then town and scum settled in play mafia for 2nd place.
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unvote, vote raven

Ill give nightson the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see raven respond.
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