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Old 01-25-2020, 01:04 PM
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Also sorry: not influenza, but coronavirus. DEAL WITH IT.


Did China fuel Wuhan coronavirus spread with information crackdown? - Business Insider
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China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists
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The situation:
The Wuhan coronavirus outbreak started sometime in December, at (probably) a seafood wholesale market in Wuhan, Hubei province, central China. Although it seems less deadly than SARS (2003), and the apparent mortality rate may be inflated by more serious cases being diagnosed first, the death toll is around 41 and over 1,300 cases are known in mainland China and a small number in over 10 other countries.

Wuhan has been locked down, closed to travel in or out, and travel bans are being established in some other areas. Lots of people will already have travelled for the Chinese New Year, so it's bound to continue spreading. The WHO has not yet declared this a global emergency, but lots of airports now have fever scanners and other such checks.


Chinese city of Wuhan plans to build a 1,000-bed coronavirus hospital in just 10 days :damn:


China battles coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates | China News | Al Jazeera
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One of Hong Kong's leading microbiologists has said the window of opportunity for containing the new coronavirus is closing.

The scientist - who was at the forefront of efforts to contain the 2003 SARS outbreak - told Al Jazeera's Adrian Brown in Hong Kong that the virus has an attack rate of 83 percent and urged everyone going out in public in the semi-autonomous territory to wear a face mask.
Curiously, it's not that long since wearing face masks was made illegal.
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'I felt like ET': UK man describes surreal coronavirus quarantine | Science | The Guardian

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Hope phoned the GP on Tuesday after his symptoms had worsened to “a really bad chest – coughing to the point of vomiting”. Having explained his condition, Hope was told there were no appointments available and to call back in the morning. The next day Hope told his GP during a telephone consultation that he had been unable to leave his house since returning from China – and events suddenly sped up.

“I told them I had flu-like symptoms and that I had travelled back from Wuhan,” he said. “At first the GP told me to come to the surgery and said we could both wear masks and I could stand outside the door – but then things quickly changed and I was told to stay at home, not to leave, and I would be visited instead.”

Hope then received two phone calls in quick succession – one from Public Health England and another from medics at Newcastle’s infectious diseases unit in the Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI) – telling him to remain indoors.
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Two medics in white suits with helmets and visors escorted him into an ambulance before attaching a nebuliser to his face. Hope was raced to hospital with the sirens on.
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Old 01-25-2020, 03:56 PM
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We live pretty far away from all of this stuff, but yesterday it was brought home to me just have close everything really is.
In barely 36 hours, someone infected with this new bug in Wuhan, could be walking the streets of Boulder, Colorado. And before they even express symptoms, the bug could be all over the Denver Metro area.

Yesterday, I had to drop my car off at the shop, and caught an Uber back home.
The driver had a rather nasty cough that suggested either the last stages of a bad cold/Flu, or the beginning of one. Every time he coughed, he covered his mouth. Very considerate, of course but then when we arrived at my location, he reached out that very hand to shake. I politely busied myself with getting out of the vehicle and avoided that handshake, and said, "you really should see to that cough."

The only defense is to do whatever it takes to keep one's immune system in good shape, and avoid random human contact.
But then half the fun of being human is interfacing with other humans. So, where'd I put my Zinc tabs?
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One of the students in my school has traveled to Wuhan. They apparently haven't come back.
My students were saying someone called her parents in China and they just said, "she's sick" and hung up.
Nope. Not concerning at all
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So, BBC posted that the bug is contageous long before symptoms express themselves.
I don't see that as news. Many viruses and bacteria are that way.
By the time you feel any symptoms, you have likely passed it on to your closest contacts. And the cough is often the first symptom, which helps spread the shit in a crowd.
And there are already a number of other things going on that will cause sneezing, coughing, sniffling, and even before those, people are putting shit in their mouths and breathing on their hands, scrathing a nose, sucking on fingers, putting their hands on all sorts of items and furniture, handrails, door handles, passing the bugs off for others to collect.

When you think about it, the human immune system is a fucking fantastic creation. We really have no idea just how many potential deathly illnesses our system fends off in any given day.

We are frigging lucky to be alive.
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So, BBC posted that the bug is contageous long before symptoms express themselves.
I don't see that as news. Many viruses and bacteria are that way.
It was not the case with SARS, apparently.

Coronavirus's ability to spread getting stronger, China suggests | Science | The Guardian

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The possibility that, unlike Sars, people can pass on the virus before they appear to be ill is very alarming to public health experts.
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The US, France and Japan said they were arranging evacuation flights for people trapped in Wuhan, which has been placed under quarantine.

The UK home secretary, Priti Patel, refused to confirm or deny reports that Britain was planning similar action.
because Brexit means we don't need to...
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Woo southern california with its first three cases!

Because the mask things confuse people, masks are useful to either catch your exhaled spittle so you don’t spreads it around, or to reduce how often you directly touch your face/mouth/nose which is one of the main vectors for getting sick in general. While a virus can pass through most masks, it’s often riding on something larger so a barrier is helpful but not perfect.

This means wildfire smoke masks are only partially useful since they have an unobstructed outward flow, and clinical masks or even multi layer fabrics are better.

It won’t be long now till we’ll be choosing which mask to walk outside with, smog or contagion.
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Looks like we got one in Colorado, too. Not confirmed yet, but it looks likely.
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So, BBC posted that the bug is contageous long before symptoms express themselves.
I don't see that as news. Many viruses and bacteria are that way.
It was not the case with SARS, apparently.

Coronavirus's ability to spread getting stronger, China suggests | Science | The Guardian

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The possibility that, unlike Sars, people can pass on the virus before they appear to be ill is very alarming to public health experts.
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The UK home secretary, Priti Patel, refused to confirm or deny reports that Britain was planning similar action.
because Brexit means we don't need to...
I can't quite get the resoning for "evacuating Wuhan", especially with the news about the delay in symptom expression.

Seems to me that the best way to handle it is to assume everybody there has been exposed, and should be treated in residence.
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Seems to me that the best way to handle it is to assume everybody there has been exposed, and should be treated in residence.
Some gigantic totalitarian flex?
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or to reduce how often you directly touch your face/mouth/nose which is one of the main vectors for getting sick in general.
That is a very good point which I hadn't given much thought to.
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I can't quite get the resoning for "evacuating Wuhan", especially with the news about the delay in symptom expression.
Only guessing, but
  1. Foreign governments have to be seen to be doing something
  2. Foreign governments and people do not trust the Chinese state to provide the best care for its own citizens, let alone foreigners; and even when the 2 new 1,000 bed hospitals are fully operational, they may well be overwhelmed

I hope & assume the people being evacuated would be handled by fully suited and filtered medical staff, and the planes used are disinfected afterwards; full biohazard protocols. I doubt they would be evacuated on any assumption that this would prevent them getting infected.
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If it's true about the transmission rate being ~2 and it can be transmitted during the up to 14-day incubation period when victims show no symptoms, then it will soon spread worldwide. I'm waiting for the first detected cases to appear in India and Africa - at which point I expect the authorities to give up on attempting to contain the outbreak and revert to the, "Keep washing your hands, and try to keep away from other people" advice.

What we don't know yet is the mortality rate - it could be anything from less than 1 in 10,000 up to several percent, depending on how many people in China really have the virus but aren't showing symptoms, and how many of those who are already sick go on to die.
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then it will soon spread worldwide.
Surely only the USA matters?

(1:20 - 1:27)
(adding the time offset breaks it I THOUGHT WE HAD FIXED THIS)

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Trapped in Hubei: A family under unexpected quarantine | Coronavirus outbreak | Al Jazeera

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Al Jazeera's Beijing cameraman went home to Hubei with his family to celebrate Lunar New Year and has no idea when they will be able to return.
This article kind of brings it home.

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When my mother-in-law called her brother to say we would not be going back to the village to visit them this year - the visit, or "bainian" in Chinese, is a very important tradition during the Lunar New Year - she was surprised by her brother's response.

"Don't worry about it," he said over the phone. "We understand. You can't get in anyway, because we blocked the road to our village."
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Meanwhile: Coronavirus: Germany confirms first human transmission in Europe – live updates | Science | The Guardian

Travel restrictions in China no longer enough ...
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Australian government: Hey, why is the Chinese government getting all the "asshoe" reputation? Remember we can be shitty too!

Coronavirus: Australia plans island quarantine as foreigners leave Wuhan - BBC News

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Australia's 600 evacuees will be held on Christmas Island for two weeks, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said.

The announcement sparked controversy as the island is best known for a recently-reopened immigration detention centre, which was criticised for its conditions.

Currently only housing one Sri Lankan family of four, the facility was built to accommodate more than 1,000 people.
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British government: I say, us too, what

'Our worst nightmare': UK family face being split up as coronavirus evacuations begin | World news | The Guardian

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The UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) have told her that since she has a Chinese passport, she will not be allowed to board the plane evacuating British nationals in the next few days. Sindy, a 42-year-old accounts assistant, has had a visa for permanent residency in the UK since 2008.
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So this is going to be a real bugger.
Developing a vaccine is really going to prove the best defense.
Until then, it's going to get a bit ugly.


The Coronavirus Questions That Scientists Are Racing to Answer - Scientific American

Now that the virus appears to be spreading effectively among people, tracking down the initial source has become secondary to trying to contain the outbreak. But both as a scientific curiosity and for possible insights about how to prevent the next outbreak, it’s useful to know when and how the virus started infecting people.

Early in the outbreak, local authorities in Wuhan said that most of the early cases were linked in some way to a large seafood market that also had live animals for meat. This seemed like a logical source for the outbreak; coronaviruses can jump from animals to infect people. These viruses are thought to originate in bats, but can use a middleman as they hopscotch to humans. The 2002-2003 SARS outbreak, for example, was traced to palm civets, while MERS infections come from camels.

But then last week, in some of the first analyses of the initial cases, a team of researchers reported that the first patient in Wuhan hospitalized with pneumonia caused by the virus had no tie to the market. The patient’s symptoms also started a week earlier than later cases who were tied to the market.

That raises several possibilities: Perhaps the virus was spreading among people earlier than first noticed or reported by Wuhan health officials, and that one of these patients brought the virus to the market. Or, perhaps there was a group of infected animals that could have seeded the outbreak at different locations.
Republished with permission from STAT. This article originally appeared on January 28, 2020
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My colleague, with school age kids commented that a note came home from her child's school noting bullying has started against oriental kids in the fashion of "you have cooties" but more serious and to teach the children about cultural sensitivity.
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: Winnie the Flu

Mum just calling to check you don't have coronavirus - The Beaverton

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Even though the rate of coronavirus in Canada is only 2 out of 37.59 million, your mum has made it clear that “you can never be too careful” and “you did get that bad cold last year”.

“You haven’t been to Wuhan or Beijing recently, have you? I know you don’t always tell me your weekend plans”
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