Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
I have to ask: has Miller totally lost it? Seriously, first that apoplectic speech, then this madness of an interview. Matthews was practically begging him to chill but it just made him madder. That was some truly bizarre behavior.
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
I don't know. I'm just out words, out of emotion. There's nothing so depraved that rightist American politicians and pundits won't say it, and yet they have the support of about half the country. What's left to do? I think the battle for America's soul is well and truly lost: all the mechanisms for fighting it -- education and media -- have been suborned.
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
There's still the internet, Clutch. I know, I know, very small consolation considering the flat horror of disinformation out there; but moveon.org started as a petition and look at them now.
If not, I hope you'll send us some chocolate or something via underground railroad when we're in our cosy America-hating liberal internment camps.
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
Itsa joke, son, itsa joke. Yessuh, 'sa joke. Pay no attention to the banty rooster at the podium. But, if'n you vote for them thar Demochicks, y'all gonna getcherself fried thar, son. Them Muslhens will getcha good, boy.[/Foghorn Leghorn]
John Kerry voted against the MX, the B-1 and 2, and the Stah-wahs anti-satellite system? Boo-fucking-hoo. All of them very expensive and haven't really proven to be very good. It'd be a shame if Kerry wasn't also against the SALT treaty flouting anti-ballistic missile system as well.
A fucking duel? In 2004? You don't suppose ol' Zig-Zag-Zell really longs for the good old days when gentlemen solved their differences with a pair of matched pistols and them uppity black folk knew their place, do you?
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
Nah, like Matthews said, I think he just knew what lines would get a laugh out of the Republican dittoheads in MSG.
The point I liked, which someone at II mentioned, is that in 2001 -- ie, long after the MX, B1, and F14 -- Miller introduced Kerry at an event by praising the way his work in the Senate had strengthened the American military.
Stand by for the liberal press to not flog the "Miller as flip-flopper" line. After all, it's not like he's Kerry or something.
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
It's hard to tell a Republican from a crazy person sometimes, the degree of cognitive dissonance is startlingly similar. Someone told me today they heard a speaker at the GOP convention say voting Republican was voting for God, which means Jesus of course. I think that's pretty crazy.
I don't get this Zell Miller guy though. He's just annoying. That's quite the avatar there, by the by.
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
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Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti
It's hard to tell a Republican from a crazy person sometimes, the degree of cognitive dissonance is startlingly similar. Someone told me today they heard a speaker at the GOP convention say voting Republican was voting for God, which means Jesus of course. I think that's pretty crazy.
Yep... That was the claim... I think it was Bloomberg. He claimed that the Republican Party was "God's Own Party", a play on "GOP". What's really scary is to see a picture of the podium from where he made this proclamation. If you get a picture of the whole stage, rather than just his talking head, you'll see multiple crosses...on the podium itself and in the background. Just great for a Jew, huh?
These guys are sending subliminal messages to the religious wacko right while trotting out all those "moderates" to try to hold onto their sane voters. "Hey, if McCain supports Dumbya, he can't be all that bad...right?"
Those two articles seem pretty heavy on the rhetoric and light on info. Not that I doubt our government's ability and willingness to do such a thing, but I just couldn't find much support for the claims despite reading both articles carefully and searching the 'net fairly extensively.
The most I was able to find was a list of various prisons and military installations that are allegedly slated by F.E.M.A for use as internment camps, and references to an Ashcroft plan wherein the use of such camps would be allowable. But I didn't find any links to any official documents validating these claims. Not that I'd expect F.E.M.A or Ashcroft to be particularly forthcoming, naturally, but I'd think I would've found something at the F.E.M.A site or elsewhere that showed where this contingency was under consideration.
And while Google brings up many hits on the subject, every one I saw apparently referred back to those same two original articles...
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
Yeah... I agree.
I think they both had a high quotient of rhetorical spin. Up into the conspiratorial rpms.
Not that I wouldn't put it past a second-term Dumbya administration to do something exceedingly stupid. I mean...Ashcroft is still there. So far.
We are in dire need of a change of direction in leadership. I'm not convinced that Kerry can provide it; adequately, at least. He seems the only available realistic choice. How beholden will he be to which corporations and industries?
Will governments soon be required to get corporate sponsorship to survive?
Re: Zell Miller's Foghorn Leghorn Imitation on Hardball
Thanks for posting the transcript. I'd only seen the clips of the Matthews interview that John Stewart played on The Daily Show. I watched the speech itself and was shocked by how angry Miller allowed himself to become. I half expected to be able to see spittle flying form his mouth if I looked closely enough. It's an interesting addition to the GOP's 2004 playbook, in which one of the main strategies is to present the Democrats as irrationally angry and willing to sacrifice national interests for political vendettas. So far, the only publicly angry Democrat I've seen is Miller himself, and I find it very interesting that he seems to have been the primary banner carrier for anger at the GOP convention (although, The Republicans did devote more of their convention time to bashing Kerry then the Dems did to bashing Bush, allowing the rest of the speakers present the same politically moderate face for the party that (sort of) won them the election 2000. How anyone can believe that steaming pile four years later is beyond me.