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In the very first study they had how 225 subjects? Second trial was 147. And you call this a large enough sample size?
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I do not know what would qualify as an adequate sample size because that number seems quite arbitrary.
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peacegirl's recent flurry of pretend expertise is almost as lulzy as her big fat lie about how the FDA "mandate[s] that every single child in the entire country get 49 doses of vaccine (69 by the age of 18)." Thems was some good times.
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In the very first study they had how 225 subjects? Second trial was 147. And you call this a large enough sample size? Third study, 1885 participants. 1507 was the next. 3630 was the last study you posted.
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Do I think 7,000+ is an adequate sample size to demonstrate statistical significance? Keep in mind, of course, that this significantly understates total enrollment as there are numerous additional studies listed in the FDA and EMA documents I have already provided you. Of course you did not read them, because you are too ignorant and lazy.
I think you are the ignorant one Chuck.

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peacegirl, do you think Andy Wakefield's sample size of 11 was an adequate sample size to demonstrate statistical significance?
Andy Wakefield observed 11 children whose parents came to him for help. He did not perform a double blind study. His findings came from his observations. From what he observed, he believed there might be a possible association between the MMR vaccine, gut problems, and autism. There were other studies done that supported his hypothesis. He also saw over 100 children that had the same symptoms. I don't think he claimed that there was a definite causal connection, but did call for further investigation.

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How long did they even follow these babies?
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peacegirl, have you done any due diligence to answer this question? Have you applied any critical analysis?
I'm always applying my critical analysis.

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A person of ordinary intellect could find the study plans using the resource I have already provided, peacegirl. But you are not a person of ordinary intellect, and of course, you have not done this - you are too lazy and ignorant.
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So the answer, peacegirl, is that they followed these subjects for years, not only in the primary studies, but in extension studies enrolling the same individuals. Do you know what an extension study is, peacegirl? You could find these in the EMA and FDA documents if you were not so ignorant and lazy, peacegirl.
I thought the extension studies had to do with the effectiveness of booster shots.

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Problems can arise long after the follow-up is over. Reviewing the studies doesn't always give the whole story Chuck.
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Indeed, peacegirl - that's why regulatory authorities require manufacturers to continue to monitor and evaluate the safety of products, post-marketing (something to which you have elsewhere bizarrely objected because you do not have any understanding of even the basics of pharmacovigilance). If you were not too ignorant and lazy to do so, you could find information about this with respect to Bexsero in the FDA and EMA documents. But alas, you cannot.
Evaluating the safety of products after post-market comes a little too late for many of its victims. Where vaccines are concerned, the follow up doesn't go on for that long. If there is no serious adverse event immediately following the vaccination, anything found later would be called coincidental. Therefore, all of the chronic allergies and other auto-immune changes would never be attributed to vaccines. I wonder why the rules don't apply to vaccines, only to other pharmaceuticals. Why wouldn't Dr. Mark Sawyer, an infectious disease specialist at Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego, who has helped set national vaccination policy, get his daughter vaccinated if it was so safe? He didn't, because there is an element of risk and he didn't feel she needed it. "Experts said the decision-making is complicated because a child’s chance of suffering this bacterial infection is infinitesimal while the efficacy and safety track record for both approved versions of the vaccine is limited." Sawyer writes:

Newer vaccines on the market lack comprehensive evidence on safety and effectiveness, compared with vaccines that have been administered to tens of millions of people over decades.

Some patients, especially those with a family history of immune-system diseases, can be at higher risk of suffering serious side effects that come with all vaccines — including seizures, life-threatening allergic reactions and paralysis.

All of these factors must be taken into account by a doctor when deciding whether to recommend vaccination for meningitis B.

“The best advice is for families to sit down and have a discussion about the risks and benefits,” Sawyer said. “There is simply no black-and-white answer in this case.”

Doctors divided on merits, risks of meningitis B vaccine - The San Diego Union-Tribune


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That's what you are basing all of your conclusions on, while being so hard-nosed about the subject you think you know so much about, that you have lost your humanity. What about the woman whose son lost all of his speech after his 15 month MMR shot? What about that Chuck? Of course the studies say there is no correlation, so you feel justified in ignoring these parents' cries for help. Why wouldn't Dr. Sawyer get his own daughter the Bexsero shot? I'm sure he had reservations. But why, if it's supposed to be so safe? Why don't you care about the children who have been permanently damaged by the vaccine that was meant to help them? Don't go into denial. Most parents want their children to be healthy. You don't hold the truth on what constitutes a healthy organism, or what that even looks like.
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Yeah this is just ignorant and unfocused peacegirl nonsense babble, I guess because I have demonstrated just how fucking stupid and ignorant you are to claim that "the studies focus on one vaccine at a time and how well it is tolerated regardless of the cumulative effects of other vaccines (along with their adjuvants) that may come into play."
That is not ignorant. It is a serious concern. Why don't you shoot yourself up with all of the vaccines recommended for adults? After all, all of the vaccines must have worn off by now. You could be vulnerable to all kinds of diseases and be putting everyone else at risk. :popcorn:

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What about the woman whose son died while wearing a deathbelt, peacegirl? What about that, peacegirl?
You keep bringing up this ridiculous analogy. If this was an equivalent comparison, don't you think parents would be lining up for every single vaccine on the schedule? Did you forget the cost/benefit analysis that is part of the way we make rational choices Chuck? Statistically, people are saved more often using seatbelts. You believe vaccines have saved more people than not. But you are not taking into consideration the possibility that certain diseases declined before vaccines were introduced. You also refuse to believe that more and more vaccines coming down the pike may not be okay for every single child in the land, even the children who don't have compromised immune systems. This is a very short sighted and could be causing more harm than good. But you won't have it. You would never admit that there could be a problem. There is no coming together in any kind of agreement on this topic! It's a lost cause.

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Old 01-02-2018, 12:42 AM
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225 is obviously too small of a sample size, what they should have done was found 12 children involved in a law suit, wouldn't want any of that pesky random sampling to cause problems, and ask them to a birthday party.
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This is all propaganda and you've fallen for it. Snopes is not the final word on deathbelt safety. Unfortunately, children are being badly damaged in the process.

peacegirl, you believe deathbelts have saved more people than not. But you are not taking into consideration the possibility that traffic deaths decreased before deathbelts were introduced. You also refuse to believe that deathbelts may not be okay for every single person in the land. This is a very short sighted and could be causing more harm than good. But you won't have it. You would never admit that there could be a problem. There is no coming together in any kind of agreement on this topic! It's a lost cause.
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peacegirl, you believe deathbelts have saved more people than not. But you are not taking into consideration the possibility that traffic deaths decreased before deathbelts were introduced.
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The key, of course, was better traffic engineering and increased crashworthiness of vehicles. By the time Big Brother shoved them down our throats, deathbelts were a solution in search of a problem.

And don't even get me started on death seats and the governmental mandate that compels actual, physical conduct between very young children - our most vulnerable citizens - and the ghastly death seat toxins that Joe Mercola warned us about.
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If the candle (remember flames are comprised of matter). The same thing that i don't buy what you are determined to make my child a guinea pig for the bigger picture?" this has gotten so out of hand. Just be honest for a second. When a candle is turned on me. Btw, i don't care if hitler was the leading authority on genetics.
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This is all propaganda and you've fallen for it. Snopes is not the final word on deathbelt safety. Unfortunately, children are being badly damaged in the process.

peacegirl, you believe deathbelts have saved more people than not. But you are not taking into consideration the possibility that traffic deaths decreased before deathbelts were introduced. You also refuse to believe that deathbelts may not be okay for every single person in the land. This is a very short sighted and could be causing more harm than good. But you won't have it. You would never admit that there could be a problem. There is no coming together in any kind of agreement on this topic! It's a lost cause.
Mimicking me is a reflection on you, not me. You can't even offer an original thought. It just shows your lack of creativity in being able to think outside of the box you find yourself enclosed in.
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peacegirl, you've never even tried to address the actual data:

Death belts do not save lives. This is easily seen in a graph of data derived from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Data on fatalities from traffic accidents looking back to 1900.

This graph shows the percentage of the population of the United States not killed in traffic accidents each year from 1900 to 2014. The US patent grant for the death belt was published in 1962. If death belts really saved lives, you would expect the % of the population not killed in traffic accidents to skyrocket after the introduction of the death belt.

But that's not what the data shows. There is no statistically meaningful change at all:



Thus, it is mathematically, scientifically, and undeniably shown that death belts do not increase the survival rate in any statistically significant way. That is just a myth perpetuated by the big death belt manufacturers. It is probably also why they have NOT ALLOWED A SINGLE PLACEBO-CONTROLLED RANDOMIZED CLINICAL STUDY of death belts. Because that would expose their bogus claims!!

Here is my data source: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/811346

You just uncritically accept that deathbelts are always safe, without a single placebo=controlled randomized clinical study!!

Mothers know this peacegirl - that is why mothers who love their children vaccinate their children for MMR more often than people wear death belts.
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peacegirl, you've never even tried to address the actual data:

Death belts do not save lives. This is easily seen in a graph of data derived from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Data on fatalities from traffic accidents looking back to 1900.

This graph shows the percentage of the population of the United States not killed in traffic accidents each year from 1900 to 2014. The US patent grant for the death belt was published in 1962. If death belts really saved lives, you would expect the % of the population not killed in traffic accidents to skyrocket after the introduction of the death belt.

But that's not what the data shows. There is no statistically meaningful change at all:



Thus, it is mathematically, scientifically, and undeniably shown that death belts do not increase the survival rate in any statistically significant way. That is just a myth perpetuated by the big death belt manufacturers. It is probably also why they have NOT ALLOWED A SINGLE PLACEBO-CONTROLLED RANDOMIZED CLINICAL STUDY of death belts. Because that would expose their bogus claims!!

Here is my data source: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/811346

You just uncritically accept that deathbelts are always safe, without a single placebo=controlled randomized clinical study!!

Mothers know this peacegirl - that is why mothers who love their children vaccinate their children for MMR more often than people wear death belts.
Not everything requires a controlled randomized clinical study. That's your problem. You think that this is the gold standard regardless of other types of proof when controlled randomized clinical studies aren't appropriate or can't be applied. Case studies are an example.

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In the social sciences and life sciences, a case study is a research method involving an up-close, in-depth, and detailed examination of a subject of study, as well as its related contextual conditions.
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But there has never been a controlled randomized clinical study of deathbelts. There is not even a warning label on them to allow parents to make an informed choice, but the law forces them to wrap their children in deathbelts.

peacegirl, the observations have been made! There is no evidence that deathbelts make anyone any safer. Why are fatal crashes are more likely to involve drivers who are wrapped in deathbelts?



Just look at the trends:







All I am saying is that there needs to be more research on the connection between deathbelts and cancer, diabetes, and autism, because of these highly legitimate observations.

I just don't understand why you want thousands of children to die wrapped up in deathbelts.
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But there has never been a controlled randomized clinical study of deathbelts. There is not even a warning label on them to allow parents to make an informed choice, but the law forces them to wrap their children in deathbelts.

peacegirl, the observations have been made! There is no evidence that deathbelts make anyone any safer. Why are fatal crashes are more likely to involve drivers who are wrapped in deathbelts?



Just look at the trends:







All I am saying is that there needs to be more research on the connection between deathbelts and cancer, diabetes, and autism, because of these highly legitimate observations.

I just don't understand why you want thousands of children to die wrapped up in deathbelts.
What a joke! Once again, you are trying to make me look foolish when it's backfiring on you. You're trying to make an analogy that doesn't fit, and you know it. You're working overtime to make it appear that environmental triggers (vaccines included) have no link to the number of chronic conditions our children are experiencing. It's all just coincidence, isn't it Chuck, just like seat belts and autism. These new illnesses may not be related to vaccines, but logically speaking, vaccines are one common denominator that needs further investigation (the science is not settled by a long shot), especially when children are being injected with so many adjuvants that are known to accumulate in the brain and bones.
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peacegirl, you really expect us to believe that it's all just a big coincidence? You are not acknowledging that there could be a problem with deathbelts. You are in denial, that's why you're biased.
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[quote=ChuckF;1306136]peacegirl, you've never even tried to address the actual data:

Death belts do not save lives. This is easily seen in a graph of data derived from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Data on fatalities from traffic accidents looking back to 1900.

This graph shows the percentage of the population of the United States not killed in traffic accidents each year from 1900 to 2014. The US patent grant for the death belt was published in 1962. If death belts really saved lives, you would expect the % of the population not killed in traffic accidents to skyrocket after the introduction of the death belt.

But that's not what the data shows. There is no statistically meaningful change at all:



Thus, it is mathematically, scientifically, and undeniably shown that death belts do not increase the survival rate in any statistically significant way. That is just a myth perpetuated by the big death belt manufacturers. It is probably also why they have NOT ALLOWED A SINGLE PLACEBO-CONTROLLED RANDOMIZED CLINICAL STUDY of death belts. Because that would expose their bogus claims!!

Here is my data source: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/811346

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You just uncritically accept that deathbelts are always safe, without a single placebo=controlled randomized clinical study!!

Mothers know this peacegirl - that is why mothers who love their children vaccinate their children for MMR more often than people wear death belts.
Based on statistics, seatbelts have prevented serious injury and saved lives.

The effectiveness of the seat belt and its associated restraint system can be measured by the percentage reduction in fatalities or injuries for restrained occupants as compared to those suffered by unrestrained occupants.

Seat Belts - How Effective?
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The effectiveness of the seat belt and its associated restraint system can be measured by the percentage reduction in fatalities or injuries for restrained occupants as compared to those suffered by unrestrained occupants.

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Vaccination saves lives.
The primary benefit of vaccination is that it prevents disease. Immunization is considered one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century, and experts agree that immunization is key to staying healthy. In one year, vaccines prevent more than 8,500 child hospitalizations in Colorado, 33,000 deaths in the U.S., and between 2 and 3 million deaths worldwide.
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Based on statistics, seatbelts have prevented serious injury and saved lives.

The effectiveness of the seat belt and its associated restraint system can be measured by the percentage reduction in fatalities or injuries for restrained occupants as compared to those suffered by unrestrained occupants.

Seat Belts - How Effective?
Vaccination saves lives.
The primary benefit of vaccination is that it prevents disease. Immunization is considered one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century, and experts agree that immunization is key to staying healthy. In one year, vaccines prevent more than 8,500 child hospitalizations in Colorado, 33,000 deaths in the U.S., and between 2 and 3 million deaths worldwide.
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An Honest Look at the Historical Evidence that Vaccines Eliminated Diseases

Vaccines: A Peek Underneath the Hood
by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries, MD
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“It is dangerous to let the public behind the scenes. They are easily disillusioned and then they are angry with you, for it was the illusion they loved.”
– W. Somerset Maugham

Medical history books, almost uniformly extol the virtues of vaccination. Upon reading these books, one is left with the impression that during the 1800s and into the 1900s, there were rampant plagues that killed countless scores of people and that, because of vaccines, this is no longer the case. This is certainly what we believed growing up, and most people we talk to have a similar impression. It generally permeates society as an established fact.

It is difficult to underestimate the contribution of immunization to our well-being. It has been estimated that, were it not for childhood vaccinations against diphtheria, pertussis, measles, mumps, smallpox, and rubella, as well as protection afforded by vaccines against tetanus, cholera, yellow fever, polio, influenza, hepatitis B, bacterial pneumonia, and rabies, childhood death rates would probably hover in the range of 20 to 50%. Indeed, in countries where vaccination is not practiced, the death rates among infants and young children remain at that level. [1]

Paul Offit talks in his recent book Deadly Choices—How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All about how the whooping cough vaccine has reduced deaths from that disease from 7,000 to only 30.

Whooping cough (pertussis) is a devastating infection. Before a vaccine was first used in the United States in the 1940s, about three hundred thousand cases of whooping cough caused seven thousand deaths every year, almost all in young children. Now, because of the pertussis vaccine, fewer than thirty children die every year from the disease. But times are changing. [2]

This type of information can even be found in medical journals. A lengthy study on whooping cough and the whooping cough vaccine was published in 1988 in the journal Pediatrics. The first paragraph of the paper states the following:

In the United States, pertussis has been successfully controlled by routine mass immunization of infants and children. In the prevaccine era, there were 115,000 to 270,000 cases of pertussis and 5,000 to 10,000 deaths due to the disease each year. During the last 10 years, there have been 1,200 to 4,000 cases and five to ten deaths per year. [3]

That paragraph set the tone for the rest of the article by indicating that thousands of people died each year from whooping cough, but after the DTP vaccine was introduced, very few died. Anyone who believed this statement would, of course, believe in the benefit of the vaccine.

The problem with these statements is that they are not supported by the evidence. When we look at the actual data, we see that although many people did die from whooping cough in the early part of the 1900s, by the time the vaccine had been introduced the death rate in the United States had declined by more than 90 percent. Using the source that was referenced to make the statement in the Pediatrics paper, we see that the decline in deaths from the peak was approximately 92 percent before the introduction of the DTP vaccine. [4]

cont. at: An Honest Look at the Historical Evidence that Vaccines Eliminated Diseases

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Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics

This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

A detailed Contents listing of this article with each category of disease and related graphs appears after the Introduction.

Introduction

The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

“The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28.
“Symposium: Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001.
In addition to the extensive static graphs below, the following superb BBC FOUR broadcast by Professor Hans Rosling shows how health improved in step with wealth over the last 200 years “200 countries over 200 years using 120,000 numbers – in just four minutes“:

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You're right, they didn't save us Chuck, and neither did vaccines. :P
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And you're still repeating the same braindead bullshit that we have debunked a million times in this thread.
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And you're still repeating the same braindead bullshit that we have debunked a million times in this thread.
You didn't debunk anything But. A million times? Do you think you're exaggerating just a little? You are just parroting what you want to believe.
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It looks like their prediction that autism will increase around the world is coming true.

Japanese & British Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism

Just months following the US Court of Federal Claims rejection of the claim that the MMR vaccine causes autism, here you will see data from formal peer refereed medical papers showing that vaccines caused autism in British and in Japanese children and will be doing the same to children around the world. The number of Japanese children developing autism rose and fell in direct proportion to the number of children vaccinated each year:

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Anyone with two brain cells can understand why it's nonsense to look at deaths instead of infections. Infectious diseases don't go away by themselves, dingbat.
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This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see.
Have you ever wondered about this? Like big pharma is a multi billion dollar behemoth accused of creating fake cures yet they've decided to just let this information that could destroy them just freely float out in the world in hopes you just wont look.
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