A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
Interesting times.
I don't mind off-the-wall theories because I can laugh at them, but scaring the gullible with doom and gloom stories, with no proof, only vague predictions, should be a crime.
“What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)
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A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
Interesting times.
I don't mind off-the-wall theories because I can laugh at them, but scaring the gullible with doom and gloom stories, with no proof, only vague predictions, should be a crime.
“What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)
LOL, what kind of pathetic, dishonest twerp dredges up a four-year-old non-controversy about emails that supposedly showed scientists manipulating climate change data, but which in fact showed nothing of the kind?
In his defense, Rickoshay75 is extraordinarily stupid.
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Quantification isn't easy in this instance. The issue is further complicated by Rick's penchant for posting other people's nonsense without attribution, a behavior that earned him the moniker "PlagiaRick" during his original sojourn here at . Examples of his idiocy are legion. A few from memory:
- Cancer only strikes the "weak and unfocused."
- No one knows what caused the Challenger space shuttle disaster. After all this time, it remains a complete mystery.
- Rick swallowed hook, line and sinker every last pop culture misconception about the so-called "Twinkie defense."
It's been awhile, and my memory ain't what it used to be. I'm sure a search of threads started by ol' Rick would yield far better examples.
So then, stupider than dirt? Yes, clearly. Stupider than a plastic baggie? You betcha. Stupider than dog shit? Unquestionably. Stupider than dog shit inside a plastic baggie? Likely, though I can't say with certainty.
As for the rest, I've never been able to ascertain with certainty how much of Jindal's schtick is bona fide dumbfuckery and how much is simply pandering to pant-hooting constituents.
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I don't mind off-the-wall theories because I can laugh at them, but scaring the gullible with doom and gloom stories, with no proof, only vague predictions, should be a crime.
Suddenly all news media fell silent.
Congress decided just not to go into work anymore.
Homeland Security was disbanded.
The bible quickly became the least selling book in the world.
Oh and the US reverted to 49 states after losing Florida to naturally occurring tidal increases.
I don't mind off-the-wall shitposters like Rick because I can laugh at them, but actually being stupid enough to believe such happy horseshit should be a crime, or at least it should induce pain in the head that dreams iit up.
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Arctic sea ice hits record winter low. More importantly (the summer maximum is not necessarily consistent with the winter minimum), the thickness of the ice has declined precipitously, and faster than researchers had anticipated.
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This is especially troublesome because a key accelerator of Arctic amplification is sea ice loss. Global warming melts highly reflective white ice and snow, exposing in its place the dark blue sea or dark land, both of which absorb much more solar energy.
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Oh and the US reverted to 49 states after losing Florida to naturally occurring tidal increases.
Really? what would we loose? Dade county Fla. sets the roofing standards for the rest of the county. My cousin lives there, but he could move back to Pa. Other than that, nothing.
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So, how do the trends compare? Well the lowest trend, in degrees Celsius heating per decade are from UAH and they equal 0.029 for the 1979–2012 period for the mid-troposphere region between 20° South and 20° North. The new results are almost 4 times higher at 0.114°C per decade. The results using a diurnal correction from a climate model are in close agreement with the new findings (0.124°C per decade). As additional support, the NOAA and RSS values are also close to the corrected results. The simple fact is, UAH is an outlier.
They also discovered that the results from RSS, NOAA, and the new study all show tropical amplification and are in agreement with the expected amplification from climate models. They state, “There is no significant discrepancy between observations and models for lapse rate change between the surface and the full troposphere.”
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By the way, though climate-change deniers make much of the supposed "hiatus" in global warming over the past few years, there never was any such thing, apparently.
For two reasons. First, though it's true that if you carefully cherry-pick the data, there is an apparent slowdown in the warming trend from 1998 to the present, that doesn't mean the warming trend has stopped. It just means that the rate of increase has decreased. That is, global mean temperature is still rising, just not as fast as it had been prior to 1998.
But it's not even that, apparently. Evidently, there was no "hiatus" in the first place. One reason for the existence of the supposed "hiatus" (other than cherry-picked data, that is) has to do with how temperature measurements are/were taken. It seems that earlier methods for measuring ocean temperature mostly involved taking measurements from ships at sea. Starting in the latter years of the 20th century though, more and more of those ocean temperature readings were taken from bouys.
The problem is that bouys -- being surrounded by water and all -- consistently give slightly lower temperature readings than you get from a ship at the same location. When someone finally realized that this should be taken into account and corrected the data accordingly, the "hiatus" vanished entirely.
I expect the climate change deniers will stop repeating the false claim that global warming stopped in 1998 any day now ...
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The problem is that bouys -- being surrounded by water and all -- consistently give slightly lower temperature readings than you get from a ship at the same location. When someone finally realized that this should be taken into account and corrected the data accordingly, the "hiatus" vanished entirely.
I expect the climate change deniers will stop repeating the false claim that global warming stopped in 1998 any day now ...
Ha! Don't hold your breath waiting.
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By the 1950s, the evidence that cigarette smoking was linked to lung cancer, asthma, emphysema, etc. was overwhelming. As was later revealed, studies conducted by the Tobacco Industry itself made it clear.
That is, by the 1950s, the Tobacco Industry was well aware of the dangers of smoking, as revealed by its own studies. So what did they do? They hired pet "scientists" to put out bogus "studies" to deny that there was any such link. They donated lots of money to politicians in order to kill anti-tobacco legislation. In short, they did everything they could to keep their profits as high as possible -- even though they knew their product was killing thousands of people every year.
By early in the 20th century, it was well understood that lead is toxic. This was well-established science by the time that tetraethyl lead was introduced into gasoline as an "anti-knock" additive in the 1920s.
The lead industry's response? Lie, put out bogus "studies," threaten researchers who dared to point out their lies, give lots of money to politicians so as to kill anti-lead legislation ... you get the idea.
In short, they knew their product was injuring and killing people, but they still fought tooth and nail against any attempts to regulate its use. Because clearly, profits matter; people don't.
Well, as it turns out Exxon's own research had clearly indicated the danger of continuing to add CO2 to the atmosphere back in the early 1980s.
Exxon's response as the evidence in favor of Anthropogenic Climate Change became more and overwhelming? Deny and deride the science, buy off politicians ... you get the idea.
After all, clearly, profits are the only thing that really matters, right?
Gah! Sometimes, I despise my species.
Corporations exist for one purpose: to make as much money as possible. This sort of thing is why treating them as "people" is frakking stupid and immoral.
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Corporations exist for one purpose: to make as much money as possible. This sort of thing is why treating them as "people" is frakking stupid and immoral.
The problem is that the fackking stupid and immoral people that make the rules believe that human people only exist for the same purpose.
The letter, sent Tuesday by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Meteorological Society, the American Statistical Association, the Ecological Society of America, and the Geological Society of America, echoed NOAA’s concerns.
“The integrity of federal scientists’ research published in the journal Science is being questioned despite a lack of public evidence of scientific misconduct. The progress and integrity of science depend on transparency about the details of scientific methodology and the ability to follow the pursuit of scientific knowledge,” the scientists wrote.
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It’s a telling aspect of the state of America’s scientific literacy that the head of the House committee that covers science doesn’t believe — or trust — scientists.
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Weird how government science is hidden from the public.
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Love me some Tamino. This could just as easily go in the conservatives say stupid things Jerome would say thread.
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The president’s statement that Miami flooding is linked to climate change is entirely false and in fact disputed by meteorologists at the National Weather Service. The experts have reported that the lunar cycle and wind patterns are to blame for unusually high floods in Miami, not climate change. The fact is there is little evidence that climate change causes extreme weather events. The president is ignoring the facts and misleading the American people in order to advance his extreme climate change agenda.
The scientists used incredibly precise spectroscopic instruments operated by the Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Climate Research Facility, a DOE Office of Science User Facility. These instruments, located at ARM research sites in Oklahoma and Alaska, measure thermal infrared energy that travels down through the atmosphere to the surface. They can detect the unique spectral signature of infrared energy from CO2.
Other instruments at the two locations detect the unique signatures of phenomena that can also emit infrared energy, such as clouds and water vapor. The combination of these measurements enabled the scientists to isolate the signals attributed solely to CO2.
“We measured radiation in the form of infrared energy. Then we controlled for other factors that would impact our measurements, such as a weather system moving through the area,” says Feldman.
The result is two time-series from two very different locations. Each series spans from 2000 to the end of 2010, and includes 3300 measurements from Alaska and 8300 measurements from Oklahoma obtained on a near-daily basis.
Both series showed the same trend: atmospheric CO2 emitted an increasing amount of infrared energy, to the tune of 0.2 Watts per square meter per decade. This increase is about ten percent of the trend from all sources of infrared energy such as clouds and water vapor.
Pretty damn cool if you ask me. Now, this should be conclusive enough to make any even slightly better than sort of well informed sciencey type to shut the fucking fuck up if they still have any lingering doubts about whether AGW is really happening or not, but I'm sure nothing of the sort will happen.
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There is this whole thing where Spencer and company from University of Alabama Huntsville are going, nuh-uh, our satellites say it was third warmest. Of course these are the experts the Repubs call to testify about climate. It's pretty interesting to read up on the technology and the history.
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Re: Climategate 2.0
. Examples of his idiocy are legion. A few from memory:
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This could just as easily go in the conservatives say stupid things Jerome would say thread.
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