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A dozen GRU agents got indicted today for, among other things, stealing shit from the Clinton campaign and the DCCC. Can't wait to find out the identity of the congressional candidate who obtained stolen info on his or her opponent from the GRU.
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Top three guesses:

1. Fake news.
2. False flag.
3. Somehow, actually it was Hillary Clinton.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:59 PM
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More excuses. Clinton lost because she was a shitty candidate, stop whining about "oh, boohoo, people committed crimes against the Democrats and the Clinton campaign, boohoo, we should find out who did the crimes, boohoo, crimes should be punished."

So what if Trump or people associated with him, or other Republicans were clearly colluding with foreign criminal attacks on Americans for the purpose of undermining American democracy? Is that a crime? Is it still a crime if it's not the reason Clinton lost? Because the reason she lost was that she was in favor of the TPP before she was against it, among other deviations from my personal policy preferences!
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:03 PM
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Trump loses 200,000 twitter followers over night thanks to a recent purge of fake accounts.
Now only 25 million to go! (I wish I could find the analysis that suggested half of Trumps followers were fake based on their posting and likes record).

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Specifically, lizard people.
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Because the reason she lost was that she was in favor of the TPP before she was against it, among other deviations from my personal policy preferences!
Indeed, and it is axiomatic that determining which candidate was the lesser evil was very much a "six of one, half-dozen of the other" sort of thing.
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Because the reason she lost was that she was in favor of the TPP before she was against it, among other deviations from my personal policy preferences!

When you have a candidate that won the nomination because of Democratic Party shenanigans and who a considerable part of the population has been thinking for years is something on the spectrum between a corrupt politician and the literal devil, you don't need to get butthurt and blame the media, Russian hackers, James Comey, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein or something, anything for this trainwreck. When she got even close to Donald fucking Trump in the polls it was already clear that we were in deep doo-doo and you had simply picked the wrong candidate.
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Sometimes I worry that my parody isn't broad enough :sigh:
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I'm convinced that sarcasm just doesn't work anymore.
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Oh wow, that post was actually sarcastic? Holy shit, I'm flabbergasted!
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Good example. I have no idea if But is being sarcastic or not. :shrug:
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Neither have I! I mean, erimir's sarcasm is so completely non-obvious! Not being a linguist, I get really confused by exclamation marks.
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Ok, you can stop now. :blank:
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You're basically saying the same thing as my parody, which is why perhaps it's not broad enough. Someone might think I actually agree with you.

Nixon won in a landslide, so McGovern was a shitty candidate and it is implausible to say that he lost because of the election-related crimes. So complaints about the Watergate break-in and cover-up were just excuses for losing, I suppose.

This is basically what you're saying. Your response was to ignore the fact that Russians committed crimes aimed at undermining our democracy and harming one candidate and party and helping the other because you prefer to talk about how Hillary Clinton was awful for various reasons (whether ideological or motivated by certain personal qualities).

Is the fact that Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic Party were victims of crimes aimed at harming their electoral chances relevant to anything? Is it so implausible to think that in an election decided by swing states with margins between 0.22% (MI) and 1.2% (FL) to think that their efforts explicitly aimed at harming Clinton/helping Trump could've swung the outcome in these states? Why are you so invested in such a close outcome being decided only by Hillary Clinton's behavior?

As for your conspiracy theories about the primaries, I doubt you have anything new to say about it or any plausible evidence for how she won almost 4 million more votes through cheating. Innuendo doesn't count as evidence. That some people at the DNC didn't like Bernie isn't evidence of "rigging".
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How crazy to think that Russia's meddling could've helped Trump win an extremely narrow victory by ~70k votes across three states. I mean, how could Russia have helped, aside from sowing division among Democratic voters, portraying Clinton as corrupt, releasing stolen emails at opportune times to distract from negative stories about Trump (like, say, after the Access Hollywood tape was released?) or positive events for Clinton (like, say, right before the Democratic National Convention), and helping conflate stories about stolen DNC and campaign emails with her email server from her time as Secretary of State?

Aside from that totally inconsequential stuff, what could they have done?


Oh.

Also in the indictment: a candidate (party unspecified, so WHO KNOWS which party) for Congress asked Guccifer 2.0 (a Russian agent's persona) for hacked info on his opponent, and was given it.

Also: the same day that Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails... they initiated attempts to hack into/spearphish dozens of email accounts associated with Clinton's personal office and her campaign.

Also: Russians hacked into Illinois elections databases and stole information on hundreds of thousands of voters.

Anyway, the important point was that Hillary Clinton supported mandatory paid family and medical leave and universal pre-k (aka universal childcare), which together would be a massive expansion of the US social welfare state, but she didn't have Medicare For All in her platform. Instead she merely proposed lowering the eligibility age for Medicare, expanding Medicaid, making Obamacare subsidies more generous and adding a public option. What crumbs for working people!

And this is why she lost, because she was a shitty candidate who didn't have any bold proposals that would help the working class.

(Incidentally, Glenn Greenwald used to be a big fan of Marcy Wheeler. She wrote a piece skeptical of the Russia story in 2017, which Greenwald favorably cited multiple times. But since she changed her mind on the Russian hacking story, he doesn't have much to say about her. I guess she's at least spared the knee-jerk accusations of bad faith that he typically applies to anyone who disagrees with him in a way that's favorable to Democrats.)
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And to think if lefties had just shown up in 2010 for the House and 2014 for the Senate this entire gong show would have been merely embarrassing rather than dire. Enjoy having courts that rubber stamp voter suppression for the next few decades, y'all. :)
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On an article comments thread about the low turn out of gun rights activists I was going to make a snark of "gun lives matter" until I noticed one of the protestors was holding a "Black Rifles Matter" sign and discovered it's not even a new thing. Then I was informed with no sense of irony that gun rights are just the same as LGBT rights and a women's right to choose. At that point I just gave up trying to parody the gun as a penis extension.

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The other thing about all this Russia denialism is... what exactly is the point I'm supposed to be embracing, again?

Don't run Hillary Clinton in 2020? Ok, good. I'm fine with this. If she should run again, I highly doubt I will want for alternatives, and she will be low on my list of candidates to support. So, that's done. What else?

What policies am I supposed to be supporting that I don't already?

Democrats I favor* for 2020 are in favor of, beyond the progressive planks of Clinton's 2016 platform, marijuana legalization or decriminalization, Medicare For All, abolishing ICE, criminal justice reforms, etc.

The idea seems to be that I have to make excuses for Clinton because... something. So I can keep pushing neoliberal centrist shill policy or something?

The thing is if Bernie Sanders is the candidate in 2020, these same tactics will be used against him, particularly if US federal and state governments and the Democratic Party take no actions to counter these tactics. And giving the media a pass on their behavior in 2016 means that the same people will be following the same patterns when 2020 comes around. And useful idiots are pushing that these things were inconsequential in order to preserve the narrative that the only reason Trump won is because Clinton wasn't progressive enough or something, even though Democrats are already moving left. You're not helping push Democrats to the left with this denialism. You're just making it easier for the Republicans and their accomplices to do it again.

*Admittedly, Bernie Sanders is not a candidate I favor. He's towards the bottom of my list, mostly only above Andrew Cuomo and centrist-y business/celebrity hypothetical candidates like Michael Bloomberg, Mark Cuban and Dwayne Johnson.
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