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In philosophy, the natural order is the moral source from which natural law seeks to derive its authority. It encompasses the natural relations of beings to one another, in the absence of law, which natural law attempts to reinforce. This is related to Dharma.

In contrast, divine law seeks authority from God, and positive law seeks authority from government.

The term is used by Hans-Hermann Hoppe in his book Democracy: The God That Failed: The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy, and Natural Order to defend anarcho-capitalism.

The term is used by Friedrich Hayek in his writings.
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I am an advocate of free enterprise and free trade. I have read everything Ayn Rand wrote and subscribed to her newsletter.

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In keeping with my usual custom of speaking from my own experience, here is an example of how I lived according to an anarcho-capitalist philosophy of free enterprise and free trade.

Shortly after I got out of the Navy and after spending two years living in Boston, I returned to Albany and set up a business of selling hot sandwiches from a push cart at Capital Park. There were many different State office buildings surrounding Capital Park and the State workers would go outside for lunch. There were many different food vendors beside myself around the perimeter of the Park, We served lunch from 11 AM to 2PM.

During those three hours I cleared $150 each day. This was my profit. I was able to work from May until October. I saved my money and I saved enough each summer so that I didn't have to work during the off-season From November until April. I did this for four years until the Board of Heath stopped giving me a license saying that only their friends get licenses. I thought there was something wrong with this but I didn't feel like fighting it. Albany had a very powerful Democratic Party and they practiced a heavy patronage.

That was the end of my business and my experience with free enterprise

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When I think of Jazz singers who appreciated "The Natural Order", I always think of Billie Holiday and Anita O'Day. Neither one cared to much for Government laws. I consider both to be very free individuals.

Anita O'Day was featured in the previous post. So in this post I will feature Billie Holiday...

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From Wikipedia...
Wikipedia is not natural, and "information" obtained therefrom is not knowledge because it is not based on personal experience.

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I am an advocate of free enterprise and free trade.
Free enterprise and free trade are not natural.

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I have read everything Ayn Rand wrote and subscribed to her newsletter.
Neither Ayn Rand nor her newsletter were natural. I know that from personal experience.

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In keeping with my usual custom of speaking from my own experience, here is an example of how I lived according to an anarcho-capitalist philosophy of free enterprise and free trade.
You, your experience, anarcho-capitalism, free enterprise and free trade are not natural.

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Shortly after I got out of the Navy and after spending two years living in Boston, I returned to Albany and set up a business of selling hot sandwiches from a push cart at Capital Park.
The Navy, Boston, Albany, Capital Park, hot sandwiches and push carts are not natural.

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There were many different State office buildings surrounding Capital Park and the State workers would go outside for lunch.
State office buildings, government employees and lunch are not natural.

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During those three hours I cleared $150 each day. This was my profit.
Money and profit are not natural.

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That was the end of my business and my experience with free enterprise
I do not believe you, but note that bullshitting is entirely natural for you. I know that from personal experience, which renders my conclusion unassailable.

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When I think of Jazz singers who appreciated "The Natural Order",
Neither jazz nor singing is natural.

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I always think of Billie Holiday and Anita O'Day.
Neither Billie Holiday nor Anita O'Day were natural. Just look at all that artificial adornment.
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One small addition, bobsavegan is not natural. He's about as fake as you can get.
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The whole Universe is Psycho except for thee and me, but I'm not too sure about thee.
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This is The College of Musical Knowledge. I'm going to ask a question to see how much experience you have.

What is an American Jazz Song written by Cole Porter in 1930 that sings about the World's Oldest Profession?

Now you have exactly 10 minutes to answer.

Time is up!

Here's the song...

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Good Morning everyone. Glad to see you all tuned in to The Kollege of Musical Knowledge. Are you ready for a quiz?

What is the most popular Jazz Vocal of all time?

Here's the answer..

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To get some idea of what I mean by "natural", here is a good definition...

nat·u·ral


/ˈnaCH(ə)rəl/


adjective

adjective: natural

1. existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
"carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacteria"

•(of fabric) having a color characteristic of the unbleached and undyed state; off-white.

2. of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
"sharks have no natural enemies"

•(of a person) born with a particular skill, quality, or ability.
"he was a natural entertainer"

synonyms: born, naturally gifted, untaught
"Alex is a natural leader"

•(of a skill, quality, or ability) coming instinctively to a person; innate.
"writing appears to demand muscular movements that are not natural to children"

synonyms: innate, inborn, inherent, native, instinctive, intuitive; More
hereditary, inherited, inbred, congenital, connate

"his natural instincts"

antonyms: acquired

•(of a person or their behavior) relaxed and unaffected; spontaneous.
"he replied with too much nonchalance to sound natural"

synonyms: unaffected, spontaneous, uninhibited, relaxed, unselfconscious, genuine, open, artless, guileless, ingenuous, unpretentious, without airs
"she seemed very natural"

antonyms: self-conscious, false, affected

•occurring as a matter of course and without debate; inevitable.
"Ken was a natural choice for coach"

synonyms: reasonable, logical, understandable, (only) to be expected, predictable
"it was quite natural to think that"

antonyms: unreasonable

•(of law or justice) based on innate moral sense; instinctively felt to be right and fair.
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The more I read this definition, the more I like it.

Anybody have any issues or concerns with it?
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