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Well, a lot of homeschooled kids are spazzes, but it'd be a mistake to assume it's all causation.

School is probably better socialization than certain types of homeschooling parents provide, but I don't think it'd be an issue for you.

I don't think there's a causal factor. I just don't think public school is all that necessary for learning how to socialize or whatever it is people keep yammering at me about. They act like without traditional schools, kids are kept in a box or something. My kid, now, at 2 socializes with all kinds of people; his age, our age, new agey hippies, Baptists and and everywhere in between, below, and above.
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If you replace "are the same age and live in the same neighborhood" with "have similar skill sets" that sounds very similar to most work environments.
Yes, but that is usually due to your chosen path. You have similar skill sets for a reason. I have worked with people from all different SECs, different age groups, hell even different countries of birth and found that because we shared the same career, we had things to talk about to an extent.

Same age and neighborhood just doesn't seem the same to me.
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I think if you have the time and resources, you should do it. Mostly because of all the nightmare stories of "zero-tolerance" at public schools that I read on reddit.
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Here's why I like the idea of homeschooling

1. Anything goes in Alabama. I can choose any curriculum, or no curriculum/ let the kid decide (unschooling as someone mentioned earlier), or mash a bunch of stuff together. We can take advantage of local community colleges, correspondence courses, the various expertises of friends and family etc.

2. Although I personally seemed to do well within traditional schooling on the surface, I hated it. I was often bored and tended to not have grades that reflected my actual knowledge because I hate busy work, or assignments that has no useful purpose. If I could get 100% consistently on the weekly test, why do I need to turn in the stupid "use this word in a sentence" worksheets? So, I knew the words (or whatever) but didn't always get A's because I refused to do the silly homework (had a great discussion with my English teacher on that). Anyway, if allowed to do things my own way without inefficient added bullshit, I pretty much always excel. I guess I hate the whole "teaching to the average" issue with no room from differences in thinking and ability.

Again, they are in the same class because they are the same age, not because they have the same abilities or learning styles.

Kiddo is proving to be scary-assed smart, but with a unique learning style and I have a feeling he will be way ahead by the time he starts school, but also that he might not "fit" academically.
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I guess I hate the whole "teaching to the average" issue with no room from differences in thinking and ability.
Hey, with NCLB, that's even worse, because it's the "slowest" student in the class who determines the pace. It's guaranteed to make everybody else kill time. It's the "bad side" of "social advancement" (i.e., advancing students despite their having not demonstrated a proficiency in the skill sets being taught).

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Again, they are in the same class because they are the same age, not because they have the same abilities or learning styles.
Lowest common denominator. That's who the public school teacher teaches to these days, in the name of "anti-tracking". Remember "tracking"? I was lucky in that about age 11 (7th grade), I was identified as having language and computational skills several grades beyond most of my age cohorts, and I was "tracked", throughout my remaining school career into "EE - Educationally Enriched" classes....this was pre-TAG. That's all "no-no" now, for fear of stigmatizing the "slow" (read: average) kids. When I became a public school teacher in 1990, the big deal was how fragile high-school students' self-esteem was, particularly when they were informed that they'd pissed away all their time in class cleaning their nostrils. NCLB is a mechanism to make public schools look even crappier than they should be.

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Kiddo is proving to be scary-assed smart, but with a unique learning style and I have a feeling he will be way ahead by the time he starts school, but also that he might not "fit" academically.
I'd bet that the learning style is not as unique as you think, just different than yours. One of the benefits of being exposed to a lot of different teachers is that students get the opportunity to work with differing teaching styles (which usually match their learning styles). You can do the same with your child through bringing in other friends to teach discrete lessons in topics which you don't feel particularly adept. You can try to adapt to the child's style, but it's not easy, and I'm not convinced it's adviseable.

I agree with several here that the two of you could do quite well with home schooling, but you've got to know it will take a great deal of time and energy on your part. If you can impart a love in learning and suppress the fear of failure (where much more lasting lessons tend to be learned), your child will go a great distance in educating themselves. Just remember that self-esteem is learned through overcoming challenges which seem daunting to the student, not by getting good grades when they are undeserved.
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Kiddo just seems to get stuff without us really teaching it. It's like he learns by osmosis. The other day he brought a book to me and recited several pages, and it was the first time I had ever seen it. None of his primary caretakers recalls reading that particular book to him, so I assume he had it read to him once or twice by a visitor. He suddenly sang the ABC song for the first time the other day, with like two mistakes...we hadn't been working on it or anything, he just "got" it at some point.

Anyway, I think he's unique based on my interactions with other kids his age.
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I don't think there's a causal factor. I just don't think public school is all that necessary for learning how to socialize or whatever it is people keep yammering at me about. They act like without traditional schools, kids are kept in a box or something. My kid, now, at 2 socializes with all kinds of people; his age, our age, new agey hippies, Baptists and and everywhere in between, below, and above.
I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I don't think it's a major factor in most cases, and I don't think it'd be a factor at all in yours. Most of the time, it's probably just correlation to people who homeschool to better shelter their kids, and kids who are homeschooled because they have existing social problems.

Anyway, he's a smart kid, so you're going to end up having to homeschool him no matter what. Public schools just aren't set up for that.

And if you do send him to school, odds are that on top of teaching him yourselves, you'd end up spending extra time and effort on damage control as well, to counter the effects of the boredom, pointlessness, and just outright wrongness of the things they'd be teaching him there.
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Well, it seems like anytime I bring up homeschooling, someone yells "socialization". To me, school is such an artificial society, it's hardly analogous to "real life".

Basically, in school, you are socializing with people because you are the same age and live in the same neighborhood. It also doesn't teach to socialize with people of different socioeconomic levels (for the most part same neighborhood=same SE), different backgrounds and experiences, different ages etc. and your pool of possible friends aren't based on similar interests or compatible personalities. Just kinda doesn't make sense to me that it is necessary, or even preferable.
Same "SE" really depends on where the school draws from. We live in an area that includes very expensive homes as well as a large number of apartment units and less expensive homes. We see kids from a fairly diverse range of SEs, and from different places in the world.
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Same "SE" really depends on where the school draws from. We live in an area that includes very expensive homes as well as a large number of apartment units and less expensive homes. We see kids from a fairly diverse range of SEs, and from different places in the world.
Oh understood, it depends on where you live.

The high school he would attend draws from a larger, more diverse area, (but not by much, and certainly not from different places in the world) but the feeder elementary schools are neighborhood specific. That's what I was thinking of.
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I don't know much about it, but "Unschooling" is a movement that may interest you.
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I would recommend replacing the question of whether or not schools teach socialization with one about whether or not you can provide that while homeschooling? I suspect a few extra curricular activities (a team sport or two, perhaps) would provide an excellent environment to learn anything that might be missed in the schools.
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Basically the whole "socialization" aspect is a moot point to me...I think there are plenty of opportunities to interact with people outside of a school setting...sports and clubs and such. It's my hubby who isn't convinced yet, he thinks it's important, and I have no evidence or anything to show him yet. I gots time to work on it, just wanted to see if my thinking was way off.
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I would go so far as to call it counterproductive.

How often outside of school do you find yourself carefully segregated from anyone even a year different from you in age?

There's simply no evidence that "traditional school" is doing anyone any good in terms of learning social rules, and a great deal of evidence of it being harmful.

Consider this: So far as I know, studies on this aren't turning up any noticable differences in average outcomes, right?

And a fair number of homeschoolers are psychotic loonies who don't want their kids learning science, and the one I know who went through that was intentionally isolated from anything like normal human society.

So! We have a group of which some substantial subset is doing crazy harmful things. And, on the average, it comes out about as well as the "traditional schools". Conclusion: If you are not a ravening nutjob, it will be better than the traditional schools.
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Basically the whole "socialization" aspect is a moot point to me...I think there are plenty of opportunities to interact with people outside of a school setting...sports and clubs and such. It's my hubby who isn't convinced yet, he thinks it's important, and I have no evidence or anything to show him yet. I gots time to work on it, just wanted to see if my thinking was way off.
I'm with you. Some of my friends came from school, others came from the neighborhood. I think if you encourage participation in activities which, at school, would be called "extracurricular" (because the schools can't provide them unless at extra cost to the student), then they should have ample opportunity to socialize.

"Socialization", particularly at the pre-school age, is not much more than bringing crowds of drooling kids together to exchange viruses to take home to the family. Small children are very effective vectors.
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When I lived in Tacoma Park, MD, there was a group of parents and kids who were homeschooling- they'd get together for big field trips and play dates. The kids ranged in age from about 7 to the teens. It was neat because the teens had a chance to be teachers to the youngsters, and the youngsters had a chance to hang out with big kids, and all the parents got a chance to socialise as well. If there are like-minded, or similar-minded people in your area you might consider that.
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Beating the dead socialization horse, but it's taken longer for me to 'unlearn' what school taught me than the years I spent there.
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You'd be amazed at home many kids you find swimming at the pool at noon on a friday afternoon...and if you go back week after week, your kids even get to make a group of friends...friends that have a wide range of ages and back grounds...

I don't homeschool, it's just not an option for me anymore, but It was always something I wanted for the kids. I do a lot of work with them in the summer, and after school and what not...My 8 year old dosn't even realize I'm teaching him things half the time...it's just playing with Mommy :)
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Depending on the quality of your local public schools, homeschooling might be worth considering--if you have the time for it. It will probably require one parent to stay at home (I'm not sure how else it would be possible, tbh).

Other than that, I can't tell you a hell of a lot, since I teach at a university, not in a secondary, middle, or elementary school. I've had a handfull of students who I knew for sure were homeschooled (either because they told me, someone else told me, or because I was their advisor and thus knew from their advising record). They've ran the gamut from wonderful to abysmal.
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I don't think one is necessarily inherently better than the other - it depends on where you live and what your resources are. I really am against the either/or kind of argument and instead would like to look at it more from a "what is viable for my family?" A child with certain learning disabilities would function better in a school or learning environment where there were specialists there to help him or her progress... something that most home school situations don't (or rarely) provide. Likewise if you have a really learning-progressed child.

My public school did only one thing right: if you were above average in certain areas, you could bump up to take classes with people who were at 'your level.' I took English and writing classes at the high school when I was eight and special-ed math classes because my dyslexia made math difficult. There was a special bus that bussed kids back and forth between the schools at different times so you could take advantage of this. It was quite nice, but something I don't think happens much anymore.
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I suspect a few extra curricular activities (a team sport or two, perhaps) would provide an excellent environment to learn anything that might be missed in the schools.
Plus, you never know ... that team sport might be able to pay for college (or a part of it).
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Depending on the quality of your local public schools, homeschooling might be worth considering--if you have the time for it.
Our public schools are pretty good in our area actually. It's the whole public education system I dislike.

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Who says learning must take place from 8-3 Monday through Friday? Another attractive aspect about homeschooling is that school is always in session...on weekends, on trips, at night. If you choose not to use a specific curriculum, or unschool then specific "sessions" would also probably not be followed.

And, from what I have read it takes less time per day, even if you're following a strict curriculum such as traditional school, because it's one kid, not 30. Homeschoolers report that they can do a whole day's worth of "school" in a few hours. Anyway, I work from home, and my Mom is the primary caretaker and is on board, and hubby is pretty flexible. Not sure what the situation will be in 3 years of course, but we'll see.

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Bella, when i was in school we had "combination" classes, students from say 1st and 2nd grade in one class so we could learn closer to ability level.

Niece is taken out of class for two hours a week for gifted education. That's it. The rest of the time she sits bored.

There seem to be few creative or progressive programs these days...due to lack of funcing or NCLB or whatever.
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When I lived in Tacoma Park, MD, there was a group of parents and kids who were homeschooling- they'd get together for big field trips and play dates. The kids ranged in age from about 7 to the teens. It was neat because the teens had a chance to be teachers to the youngsters, and the youngsters had a chance to hang out with big kids, and all the parents got a chance to socialise as well. If there are like-minded, or similar-minded people in your area you might consider that.
People are still doing that in Takoma Park, I just moved away from there last month after a year living in TP. That area has to be among the most liberal and hippie place I've ever seen and I loved it. I'd see groups of kids with their parents out on exploration trips, it was pretty neat to watch. I lived near Spring Park and they had just completed landscape work where they added a new creek and established a wetland ecosystem all for the purpose of restoring the area to its former condition and to serve as an educational park for the town's children.

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For the most part, currently, homeschoolers fall into two categories...hippies that are into unschooling, Waldorf, and other alternative learning philosophies OR religious conservatives that don't want their kids exposed to secular ideas or our evil society. I'm afraid here in Alabama, most are of the latter type, and therefore not likeminded. My friend plans to homeschool, but is very, very, very crunchy. I am sure we can come up with a number of things to do together, but many of our ideas will be disparate

It is becoming more mainstream though, and there is more and more support for homeschoolers available and universities etc. are accepting homeschooled kids quite readily.
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