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Old 10-12-2018, 03:27 AM
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Indeed, I was trying to figure out why I quite like the old forum experience but hate facebook, besides just being old in internet years and one thing that dawned on me was forum topics. On FF I can ignore a thread or focus on thread, or more importantly ignore a thrad for now and then binge through it later. On facebook it's just this constantly forward crawl of disparate things. I've been convinced for awhile that facebook is purposefully designed to have shit comment threads, to be worse than old forums on finding, replying, linking etc, old comments. Old comments don't drive the feed forward, old comments allow you to hash things out instead of post, feel good about your hottake and then move on to engage in more metrics which produce data points to be sold.

Then there's the nagging feeling of needing my defenses always up because facebook will interject. That facebook itself tries to insert itself into your friends circle, "How do you do fellow kids? How do you like that latest TOY AND OR GAME today? You should interact more with NAME HERE , they would really like to hear about your support for DAY OF ACTION. Smiley face, winkey emoji. Have you wished DEAD FRIEND HERE a happy birthday?"
Check out Sally's new dog! Here's Jack's opinion of bread with raisins in it! Tim would like to remind you the president is a moron! Boogie would like to know if you are going to the Pumpkin dance! Find out these three tips for cooking Pumkin seeds. Sally hates dog poop. Only basic bitches order Pumpkin spice latte! Trump laughs at raped woman, sign this petition to feel better about it! Make Pumpkin spice latte at home! Mind blown, did you know there's no Pumpkin in pumpkin spice. and on and on and on.

There's no way to make your own choices, to choose to read about Sally's Dog, or the current meaningless norm battles, or politics, it's just kinda all vomited at you at once and then scrolls on by with the most shallowest of replies before it scrolls off the screen for the next thing to get x emotion at. The shit of the thing is that the system design provides a hiding spot, an excuse, for what is considered a type of manipulation tactic if it was coming from a single human. A way of controlling the subjects emotions so that they will tire and give in, and the more facebook fights against any changes to this the more I've been coming to the conclusion they in fact know this and are doing it on purpose.
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Old 10-12-2018, 04:15 AM
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Like how it tries to force you to celebrate "friendiversaries" anniversaries of when you friended someone on facebook.
I especially like when it says stuff like "you have been friends for 4 years" about you and your favorite first cousin that you basically grew up with, because that relationship didn’t count before she got on Facebook.
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Old 10-12-2018, 05:31 AM
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Facebook is ruining humans in ways we haven't even begun to quantify.

Facebook is not what social networks are. Real social networks are incredibly complex, nuanced systems that have evolved over all of human history, and they're full of rules we can't even articulate, but that people understand intuitively.

Zuckerberg is not by any real measure a real adult human. He has virtually no real life experience. He grew up a spoiled, sheltered child, was sent to an Ivy league school, where he accidentally stumbled on something that made him mega-wealthy and powerful while he was still a spoiled, sheltered child with no real life experience. Facebook was not an original concept at the time, and it wasn't technologically innovative. He didn't earn that. He just got really really lucky, and he got really really rich before he even had started trying to be a grownup. So he is stunted. He is still a spoiled little child, and he has no concept of how little he knows about anything.

Mark Zuckerberg has never applied for a job or had a boss. He's never worried about paying his bills or finding a place to live or getting health care or any of those things that normal adult humans have had to worry about. He has never had to make a personal budget. He doesn't cook his own meals or do his own laundry, and he's probably never had to. He has an annual budget of $10,000,000 just for personal security. He doesn't really even have a normal Facebook account.

So he sees normal human experiences and social norms, and he literally doesn't understand them. He doesn't know what they're for, so he, being spoiled and self-centered and very very lucky, decides they're useless because he doesn't need them, and decides to get rid of them. And people just go along with it, maybe because of social pressure, maybe because they're just not really thinking it through, maybe because, like Zuckerberg himself, they're 13 years old emotionally because, unlike Zuckerberg, they're 13 years old chronologically.

Humans don't have the capacity to stay in regular personal contact with hundreds of people at a time. We don't, in real life, keep up with the ongoing life events of every former classmate, coworker, every distant relative, with friends of friends and people we know from various interest groups. Because we don't have the intellectual or emotional capacity to live through all those life events in real time. In the real world, maybe you run into someone you knew from high school or college every now and again and they catch you up on who has died, who got married, divorced, sick, etc., but we're really only built to keep up with that sort of thing in real time with a limited number of people. We're social animals, but we're naturally smart about it. Facebook is stupid.

And our social networks in real life aren't linear. We have different friend groups that we share different interests with, we have different levels of disclosure for different people, and that's not linear either. And we have individual guidelines, too. Maybe we can talk about super-personal medical stuff with this person, but don't talk about politics, we have individual off-limits topics for specific people, and we have weird limited purpose friendships even, like someone you don't really know that well personally, but you have a shared interest in a specific topic that other people aren't interested in, but you can go on about for hours with that one person.

Facebook doesn't understand that, and it doesn't allow for that. Facebook dumbs down everything to the lowest common denominator, and it's making people stupid.

Facebook is bad for humans and it's bad for humanity.
I'm just bumping this onto the next page.
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:34 AM
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Zuckerberg is not by any real measure a real adult human. He has virtually no real life experience. He grew up a spoiled, sheltered child, was sent to an Ivy league school, where he accidentally stumbled on something that made him mega-wealthy and powerful while he was still a spoiled, sheltered child with no real life experience.
s/Zuckerberg/Trump/
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I think Oliver may have pointed this out elsewhere in his segment, but this comparison is actually unfair to toilets, which perform a useful function of sanitary waste disposal.
Yes, he does point out that (in essence) toilets dispose of shit whereas Facebook brings shit to you. If he'd consulted lisarea he'd probably also have observed that Facebook turns you into shit.
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Old 10-13-2018, 12:31 AM
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Indeed, I was trying to figure out why I quite like the old forum experience but hate facebook, besides just being old in internet years and one thing that dawned on me was forum topics. On FF I can ignore a thread or focus on thread, or more importantly ignore a thrad for now and then binge through it later. On facebook it's just this constantly forward crawl of disparate things. I've been convinced for awhile that facebook is purposefully designed to have shit comment threads, to be worse than old forums on finding, replying, linking etc, old comments. Old comments don't drive the feed forward, old comments allow you to hash things out instead of post, feel good about your hottake and then move on to engage in more metrics which produce data points to be sold.
They also promote posts to you based on how much "engagement" you have with it.

And the best form of engagement is getting you to post on it, repeatedly.

And what does that? Posts that make you angry or start arguments.

So they basically encourage you to argue with people. People who troll will get promoted to you. And they'll encourage you to troll other people (perhaps unintentionally).

It's like Facebook is throwing a wedding, and instead of sitting the cousins who hate each other at separate tables, it puts them together and laughs gleefully.
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:17 AM
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They also promote posts to you based on how much "engagement" you have with it.
Oh God, the engagement metrics drive me nutz as sometimes I like to read a post, maybe look something up, then reply, or come back to it later. But without something like FBP forcing it to, as soon as it sees you've read something and didn't immediately engage, it vanishes that post from your list to provide new things to engage with, leaving you hunting for a post you are sure you remember but now is nowhere to be found.

On mobile it was even worse, it would sometimes reload and vanish a post while I was in the middle of reading it! Like fuck you, I wasn't even finished with that!
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:43 AM
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On mobile it was even worse, it would sometimes reload and vanish a post while I was in the middle of reading it! Like fuck you, I wasn't even finished with that!
And they said the MTV generation had no attention span.
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Fuck everyone and everything about this, starting with the fact that Facebook has a "head of health research" in the first place:

Facebook's head of health research wants doctors to have even more personal patient data
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Right, "research" :pickpocket:
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Yes ... F******k is making us ill ... let's help them, why not?
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As I was saying last month,

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WTF. I went to high school and worked on several plays with him. Not relevant to this thread; it's just weird seeing him randomly cited from Twitter. Not as weird as seeing another member of the same small group of students (with whom I also worked on several plays) win an Oscar, but weird nonetheless.
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Assuming we're not living in some sort of Mad Max hellscape by then I kinda wonder how the future is going to report on the second dot com bubble. It's pretty clear by now that virtually every tech company that's 'disrupting' old business is doing so either through complete fraud or by the old practice of stripping their workers of rights and wages until it appears to be profitable.

Almost nothing that's come out of the modern day tech boom appears to be sustainable or even real. It has taught us that if no one is watching, it's even easier to fudge or fake the numbers to give the cursory appearance that it's revolutionary, just long enough for people to dump money into it. See the current flaming fall to earth that is cryptocurrency as another example.
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Next headlines:
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Amazon has employees arrested for vagrancy
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