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04-08-2013, 10:57 PM
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Re: Drug war thrad
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It's sadly telling that the drug is mostly being developed to reduce Opiate withdrawal symptoms, mostly so they can keep giving opiates.
There are at least two drugs listed under US felony schedule 1 status which are known to cure addiction, so it's not like that's really something the US cares about.
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04-09-2013, 11:12 PM
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Should this go in the drug war thread or the D.C. madam thread? The latter has kind of devolved into posting about all kinds of hypocrisy from politicians. Whatever, I'm posting it here.
Georgia lawmaker who supported drug testing for welfare gets second DUI | The Raw Story
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04-12-2013, 09:11 PM
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04-17-2013, 08:10 PM
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Re: Drug war thrad
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That's bullshit! Everybody knows that 5-over is the official safe speed for driving and toking.
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04-17-2013, 08:59 PM
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It never ceases to amuse me how many people get nailed on more serious charges because they can't stay under the speed limit or stop at traffic lights...
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04-17-2013, 09:47 PM
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Re: Drug war thrad
That reminds me of the TV movie about Ted Bundy. About the only bit I remember of it was the cops joking at the time of the trial about how every time they got hold of him, he'd been pulled over for a traffic offense. The cop said something about how he should be sentenced to the death penalty and driver education.
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04-24-2013, 12:41 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: Drug war thrad
An excellent Documentary on LSD,
I had always wondered why the government hated LSD so much, surely it wasn't just because hippies were seeing pretty colors, until I came by this quote, "But it back fired on the americans. They found out that when they gave it to their soldiers, the first thing the soldiers wanted to do was quit the army." Now it makes sense.
I find it interesting that you can tell the good drug documentaries from the bad by how little the narrator speaks. National Geo's "Drugs Inc" provide some interesting information but often has the government message filtered narrator speaking over the majority of people. On the other hand many good British Docs actually show interviews.
Next year we are coming up on 30 years since the "Comprehensive Crime control Act" which enacted harsher federal sentencing laws and doubled or quadrupled sentences and fines for those in possession of certain drugs, specifically Marijuana and cocaine. This expansion onto the controlled substance act of 1970 has helped to sky rocket its ability to put people in jail. Since then our prison population has gone through the roof. The chart fails to mention this is an increase in mostly male prisoners, the majority of which are Black or Latino. It's almost as if a bunch of racists had recently lost the ability to ban blacks from their communities so they found a set of laws that could be distorted to ban blacks from their communities.
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04-24-2013, 07:23 AM
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North Carolina Senate blocks testing themselves when passing welfare drug testing bill | The Raw Story
Speaking of using drugs to promote racist agendas, the NC senate has just passed a bill that would require all new welfare recipients cough up $100 for their own drug test. Pass and they will eventually be reimbursed. Fail and they lose the money and the ability to get food stamps. Cause you know people on welfare are poor/black thus on drugs, despite statistics from Florida showing welfare recipients are less likely to test positive and if we've learned anything from Florida it's that the poor will have to sue to actually get their money back. But pfft it's only $100 I'm sure they have lots to spare. In a great douche-nozzle fuck you to the little guy, these same Senators rejected drug screening of senators and lawmakers.
The short clip of the senate was quite interesting, it shows that the bill is clearly split down race lines as if this was racist or something. Listening to the white conservative senator speak was telling, not only are poor/black drug dealers some scary bogeyman that will infest your streets if they aren't locked away but he clearly thinks "welfare" means being handed a bunch of cash.
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04-28-2013, 02:18 PM
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That has nothing at all to do with the War on Drugs™, it has everything to do with keeping people that need welfare from getting it. That and enrichening some drug testing laboratory owners, which has probably several state representatives and senators in their pockets.
Believe me, if I will need welfare, I will not have $100 or even know where I can get it.
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05-06-2013, 06:27 PM
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The Rat Park experiment
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Are drugs addictive? As odd as it might sound, one scientist believes that they weren't — at least not to the degree most people insisted. He thought it had more to do with overwhelming misery and depressing environments, and to prove it he created the ideal environment... for rats.
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05-06-2013, 07:38 PM
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Re: Drug war thrad
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That has nothing at all to do with the War on Drugs™, it has everything to do with keeping people that need welfare from getting it. That and enrichening some drug testing laboratory owners, which has probably several state representatives and senators in their pockets.
Believe me, if I will need welfare, I will not have $100 or even know where I can get it.
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Sounds about right to me (i.e. your response). It's also what happens when people mistake punishment for justice, which is a very popular mindset on the far right. It's a standard issue wingnut type error of conceptual substitution/doublethink (replacing the substance of words that describe positive things, like virtue and nobility and patriotism and justice and such, with personal dogma--eventually all positive words simply mean "agreeing with or being like me/us").
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08-30-2013, 04:42 AM
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08-30-2013, 03:52 PM
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Best comment:
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The DOJ loosens enforcement of pot laws at the same time fast food workers go on strike? Is O. Henry crafting the news now?
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08-30-2013, 05:28 PM
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I'm seeing liberal pot-smokers cheer this as if the Obama administration is some pot-smoking-hippie-liberal-god when in fact this comes only after locking up way more drug users than Bush. It's a bit sad that the 2013 administration is getting applause for starting to bend on something the government deemed safe in 1971 and approved for medicine in 1984.
While I'm hopeful I have this sneaking suspicion that this will only apply to those whiter states and California will still see the feds shaking down tax paying medical clubs and growers in heavily brown areas. When asked they will continue to pull their "duh, we don't know what our left hand is doing" response they've been giving so far.
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08-31-2013, 06:57 AM
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Well that certainly clears things up « Drug WarRant
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Some of you surely are questioning the sanity of those who are releasing statements of exuberance about this announcement. However, I do understand at least one reason for doing so. Since the administration is playing the “game” of appearing to be reasonable while not actually committing to anything real, a tactic by the other side can be to publicly accept that “appearance” as something real, in order to cement that impression with the public. Thus, when the administration acts in a contrary manner, the public will view the administration as double-dealing once again.
The game doesn’t always work, and I certainly have no need to pursue such things here, but I understand it as a legitimate political tactic.
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08-31-2013, 07:29 PM
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I have to admit I'm a little exuberant, but just because, with every new development like this, we get a little closer to ending the war on drugs. I have no doubt at all that there are people in power who will try to turn things back, but it's going to be REALLY HARD to do.
I wrote a paper on legalizing marijuana in 9th grade. (I'd never tried it. I just honestly thought the prohibition was cruel and ridiculous. Nobody believed that, though, so everyone just assumed I was a big pothead.) That was, dang, like the late 70s maybe, and it's only recently that there has been any significant progress.
It's not over yet, but it's going to be really hard to turn things around at this point, and I don't think anyone's going to be able to stop the momentum at this point.
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08-31-2013, 09:26 PM
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God help me I want to get lisarea high so badly.
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08-31-2013, 09:48 PM
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Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
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What? Why?
Why is everybody looking at me?
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08-31-2013, 10:04 PM
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I have to admit I'm a little exuberant,
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While it might sound like I'm generally pessimistic about this, it's really only on the government side of things. I'm quite happy that the general public seems to be getting it and is finally realizing the amount of garbage they've been fed. I have hope that the feds continued lopsidedness will drive more people to question their entire drug policy and not just marijuana.
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09-01-2013, 07:11 PM
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To expand on my position a bit, after a decent amount of research I'm one of those crazy liberal freedom haters who thinks all drugs should be legalized and partially regulated.
Yes even hard drugs like Alcohol, store bought pain killers (Tylenol, Advil) and prescription opiates. Oh you didn't hear? These are the top killers by a significant amount, dwarfing even the most hardest of illegal drugs. Toss a few more prescription drugs in there and you start to get a death toll higher than all illegal drugs combined.
Sure drugs do have different dose and danger profiles but the reality is that as pure known chemicals they aren't nearly as dangerous as they are made out to be and many are prescribed under obfuscated brand names to good law abiding citizens without much problem. The danger of most illegal drugs comes from their illegal nature. Impure, mislabeled, cut and poorly made substances make up for the majority of illegal drug deaths. This is nothing new, during prohibition cirrhosis of the liver actually went up due to adulterants and poorly made booze. This is hidden by the scare-media reporting what people *thought* they took, not what they actually did take.
If it wasn't obvious by now there's no such thing as drug 'hardness' it was coined as a way to help whites justify their drug use (Coke) while still condemning brown people to jail or death because their drugs were clearly harder and more dangerous (Crack).
Oh you caught that I see. While this seems to be the governments answer, the fact that non-recreational drugs are starting to top the OD list shows that this isn't about people's constant quest to get high but a poor understanding of what they are putting into their bodies. Since Corporate-rights and backroom deals have pretty much gutted the FDA's ability to protect the public, it's time to start educating people about all drugs and this poorly constructed line between legal and illegal stands in the way of that.
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09-03-2013, 02:23 AM
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10-07-2013, 04:30 AM
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10-07-2013, 05:22 AM
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Re: Drug war thrad
On a vaguely-related note, I heard a report on NPR recently which claimed that, during Prohibition, the U.S. government actually poisoned alcohol with substances such as strychnine. The reasoning, according to the report, was that even with Prohibition, plenty of alcohol was still being legally made, since it was used in medicine and industry. To prevent people from drinking industrial alcohol, some of it was deliberately poisoned.
The report quoted one official who said that if people died from drinking the poisoned alcohol, that'd be just fine with him.
The report also mentioned that this was a big reason Al Capone got so rich -- people knew that the alcohol he was selling wasn't poisoned.
My first thought was, "This has got to be some kind of mistake." But apparently, it's true.
It makes you wonder ...
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10-07-2013, 05:33 AM
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You should check out the Ken Burn's Prohibition documentary that was made recently.
Prohibition: Home | PBS
It's quite good.
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