Drive by science

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Jerome

The moon produces its own light.

Wrong, the Moon shines by reflected light from the Sun and that perfectly explains the phases of the Moon.

[erimir]

Tide goes in, tide goes out, never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.

Literally, Jerome can't explain that.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Jerome

lol, he tries to say the sun's light is being curved all the way around the whole earth!!

No he didn't, he was saying that the Sun's light is passing on the other side of the Earth from where they are standing which makes the shadow appear on the upper part of the Moon, from their point of view. He never said, nor did he imply that the Sun's light was curving around the Earth, light travels in a straight line unless it is deflected by a strong gravitational field, BTW astronomers have observed the bending of light as it passes the Sun by observing the position of stars of a known position. They have found that the position observed is slightly different when the light passes close to the Sun.

[Jerome]

Guys, just repeating the claims of the model you believe in doesn't make them facts.

How about you explain the video I just posted with the sun in the sky during an eclipse with the wrong side of the moon being in shadow.

[Jerome]

Dude, 2:25, he says 'the sun's light is coming from underneath the earth', because that nonsense is the only way he can try to explain why the wrong part of the moon is in shadow.

Your model simply can not explain what is observed in that video.

[Crumb]

Is sunlight only allowed to travel past a particular side of the Earth?

[Jerome]

Watch the video. The sun is in the sky, the moon is in the sky. The wrong part of the moon is lit, and the wrong part is in shadow.

He is fumbling trying to sort how what he is seeing is possible in your model.

His only thought is the sunlight is somehow traveling under the earth to the other side so as to light that side of the moon, which is of course absurd, that would mean the whole of the earth is in daylight.

[Ari]

So I'm right, this thread is funnier with the ignore feature, however,

Originally Posted by Jerome

Perspective. Observable, repeatable, testable.

You don't really think the ceiling in a long hallway is moving down towards the floor, do you?

I get to talk about fewer interesting things.

Perspective is a result of viewing a scene from a single point, but more specific it has to do with the angle of view as it's projected down to a 2d plane. A larger angle of view creates more perspective effects because each unit on a plane takes up a larger angle. If you had an infinitely long lens you would see no perspective. Which is effectively what isometric drawing is, treating light as a laminar flow moving in straight lines.

(Spoilered for those that get nausea).

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The dolly zoom effect, shows what happens when an object is kept in the same place on the image plane while the viewing angle and distance are changed. Via petapixel.

In fact there's a lens system, the telecentric lens, that does basically this. The only downside is that you can only take pictures of a object the same size as the front of the lens. So if you built a lens the size of a hallway (traincar size lenses have been built before) you could see the hallway with perfectly straight walls that appear as a rectangular border around a perfectly rectangular end of the hallway.


Telecentric legos.

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Because that is how perspective works. Not sure why you are denying this phenomenon you have experience uncountable times in your own reality.

The same reason a cars tires as it travels away from you are 'blending' into the roadway. You can't be claiming the curvature of the earth has an effect on a flat straight road over a relatively short distance. Of so, you don't understand what the curvature is.

So perspective does not simple make something seem smaller: in stead, what happens is that you see the top of an object first, and as you get closer more and more of the object is revealed, according to you?

But everyone else is just ignoring what they can observe, or changing it to fit their model?

Good one!

[Vivisectus]

Meanwhile, we still do not know what causes the phases of the moon. Is the moon a sphere or a disc? How about the sun? And what causes that crescent-shaped light area, and the dark parts which you can sometimes still see?

What causes lunar eclipses?

How can you have buoyancy without gravity? What force keeps me from stepping on to a vat of air without going down? The only force at work is this "buoyancy" of the air, apparently... so what causes me to fall down into the vat?

Of course we are ignoring the world-wide conspiracy to pretend we have satellites, space programs and to keep folks from realizing the Antarctic is a strip that is at least 120.000 KM wide, and that flights from Chile to Australia are in fact about 40.000 KM long and happen at about mach 3.3!

But hey - at least there is no pesky scientism, which basically means stuff Jerome has a hard time figuring out.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

world-wide conspiracy to pretend we have satellites

Which has somehow come up with a magic secret alternative to satellites which makes GPS work.

[slimshady2357]

Seeing that lego pic that Ari posted reminded me of this Machine Pix tweet that some of you might enjoy.

The 3D illusions of Kokichi Sugihara, an engineering professor at the Meiji Institute for Advanced Study of Mathematical Sciences. pic.twitter.com/UMwZw0Zbl4

— Machine Pix (@MachinePix) 16 May 2017

[Kael]

Originally Posted by fragment

Which has somehow come up with a magic secret alternative to satellites which makes GPS work.

See, it's really just the one satellite. We tied it on a string to the crystal dome holding out the waters of the deep.

[Jerome]

The Loran systems are what is claimed are satellites for navigation.

[Jerome]

Ohh, and don't forget all the high altitude balloons NASA's uses for all sorts of things.

Hey, why is Google sending up balloons for connectivity if satellites exist?

[Jerome]

Strange how with all these thousands of satellites that we never see pics of these thousands of satellites from the ISS...

[Jerome]

Vivisectus, you seem to be asking questions already answered, very strange indeed.

The programing is strong with this one.

[Jerome]

I notice you have all run away from the video posted with the sun and moon in the sky at the same time with the shadow on the moon being impossible in your model.

Nothing but Gish Gallop and avoidance.

[Pan Narrans]

Originally Posted by Kael

See, it's really just the one satellite. We tied it on a string to the crystal dome holding out the waters of the deep.

ed for the waters of the deep. Compared to that glorious pile of semi-coherent bollocks, Jerome's flat-Earther lunacy just falls, well, flat.

[Jerome]

What falls flat is your avoidance of observational evidence that your global model is false.

Ohh, and can you present any body of water that does not find its *level*. Where is the observational evidence of water being curved, outside of your model?

Sea level, not sea curve, fellows.

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Vivisectus, you seem to be asking questions already answered, very strange indeed.

The programing is strong with this one.

Pls direct my attention to where you answered how the phases of the moon work. Or lunar eclipses. Or how buoyancy works without gravity - remember the vat of air? Or how a 747 can apparently travel 40.000 KM without a stop in 12 hours - roughly mach 3.3!

Very strange indeed!

I would also LOVE to observe someone walking towards me down a long flat road, and first only being able to see the top of their head, then their face, then their chest, etc etc etc. since apparently this is how perspective works!

[Vivisectus]

Well...

Does water squezee out of a cloth at Zero...

[Jerome]

Showing special effects doesn't mean they are in space, lol.

OK Go - Upside Down & Inside Out - YouTube

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Jerome

lol, he tries to say the sun's light is being curved all the way around the whole earth!!

I guess that would make it day time everywhere at the same time!!1!111!

Lunar Eclipse at Sunrise: Selenelion viewed from Cahokia Mounds - YouTube

Why do you globe believers keep running away from this observational evidence your model is false?

[Crumb]

We learned it by watching YOU!