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Old 10-06-2015, 06:19 AM
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I do not know how I feel about this. I used to be totally against ending one's life due to suffering, till I myself was ill for about five months and the docs could not tell me what it was. I was miserable, but to add insult to injury, since the docs couldn't find anyyting wrong, I don't think they took my complaints seriously. During this time, I remember thinking that if I had to live another several decades feeling lik that, I surely wouldn't want it. Which gave me perspective about the terminally ill and their situations. Still don't know how I feel about it, ,esp after feeling better ,but certainly have a better insight.
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:14 PM
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Well, I just think when faced with nothing but great pain and then death due to a terminal illness, the person facing that pain has a better idea of what they can endure than politicians. Some people will not choose to end things early, some will.

I can't imagine telling someone else "Yeah too bad, you have to suffer before you die anyway". We don't do that to pets, but we do it our human loved ones?
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I think this is a really complicated and difficult issue to legislate around. More than people give credit, because nobody seems to want to actually argue about the practicalities.

I'm in favour of the principle, but very worried about the externalities.
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The Catholic church strongly opposed the bill.
It may or may not be instructive to look at who else is against assisted dying rights and whether they are also against reproductive health rights, gun control, etc.
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I never understood why most (all?) religions are so vehemently against the right to die, given that they (mostly) claim that after death, one goes to a better place.
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Because established religions are all about the state, and the state gets to decide when you die - specifically, in war (glory, patriotic duty) - not you.
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The right to die, the only truly inalienable right. Those who seek to deny it only delay the inevitable.
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It's because religions think it's god's place to decide when you die, not yours. By making the decision yourself you are rebelling against god.
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Somehow God doesn't mind us keeping people he intended to die alive indefinitely on ventilators though.
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I am pretty sure Jehovah also has a Shiva aspect, because depending on who you're talking to, he also apparently doesn't mind the death penalty.

Maybe it's OK as long as nobody is able to make the decision for themselves.
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I know. The other Fundamentalist hypocrisy that really gets to me is the use of fertility drugs. You're always going on about god's will, but when his will appears to be that you not reproduce, you can't accept that. Not that I'm opposed to fertility drugs, just the hypocrisy.
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I'm generally opposed to fertility drugs because there are already too many people on this planet.
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Does the law make insurance companies pay out death benefits? Because really that's the only thing holding people back from killing themselves if they're sick. It's not that hard to do.
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I would think fear of mucking it up stops some people. Also not wanting family members to be traumatized by finding the mess. Doing it in a controlled environment with professional help would stop all that. I heard an interview with John Cleese once. He said the dead body episode of Fawlty Towers was based on something the manager of The Ritz told him. He said that people would book into their hotel to commit suicide so their loved ones wouldn't find the body and because they knew The Ritz would handle things beautifully.
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Does the law make insurance companies pay out death benefits? Because really that's the only thing holding people back from killing themselves if they're sick. It's not that hard to do.
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Um wow, group against Jerry Brown's new law says it would rather you be indefinitely unconscious than dead.
NoAssistedSuicideCASome people may feel that they don’t want to be made unconscious to relieve pain, but that’s a psycho-social issue. The implication that assisted suicide is needed to relieve physical pain is mistaken.
NDY Denounces Governor’s Decision on Assisted Suicide Bill

Sure, take some potentially destructive medication that puts you in a near death state, but don't actually die! Yeah that sounds a bit like hell to me. There's a reason so many medical professionals have DNR tattoos.
It's a step forward in accepting death and accepting that the medical world has blurred the line between life and death.
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