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I just found out about it, and have only listened to a couple of them, but this podcast, QAnon Anonymous, is pretty good from what I've heard so far. It's one of those chatty comedy style podcasts, which I normally don't like, but they do a good job of explaining various aspects of QAnon. And they are pretty funny.

The impressive thing about the whole QAnon thing is how many previously unrelated batshit cults they manage to bring into their fold. They've worked in grays and lizard people, Satan-worshipping pedovores, white nationalists of varying stripes, secretly alive JFK Jr. sending out coded messages, you name it.
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:19 PM
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I just found out about it, and have only listened to a couple of them, but this podcast, QAnon Anonymous, is pretty good from what I've heard so far. It's one of those chatty comedy style podcasts, which I normally don't like, but they do a good job of explaining various aspects of QAnon. And they are pretty funny.

The impressive thing about the whole QAnon thing is how many previously unrelated batshit cults they manage to bring into their fold. They've worked in grays and lizard people, Satan-worshipping pedovores, white nationalists of varying stripes, secretly alive JFK Jr. sending out coded messages, you name it.
It sounds like I would love it, but it's just 3 white guys, isn't it?
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Old 07-30-2020, 12:10 AM
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Looks like, except their UK correspondent is a woman. The first episode I listened to featured her pretty extensively.

I'm pretty sure they're all white, though.
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So close, yet the gap is what's crucial to These People.

A gun "to protect others" is to (they say) protect others from bad people. Bad people are always others (and usually, they don't say, of other colours) - These People are never bad themselves. Not even when they do in fact kill partners and bystanders in domestic violence, or being cops kill innocent civilians.

Now, being ill or having any kind of injury or weakness is a bad thing and they hate and fear illness and weakness. (And yes, being gay is weak; being female is weak; being poor is weak; These People hate and, perhaps without admitting it, fear Those People.)
["These People" may or may not be straight cis white males, I don't want to generalise :shiftier:.]

They know wearing a mask is in case you are infected and is to reduce the risk of passing it to others, even family members and valued people.

But the mere suggestion that they might carry the virus is a challenge to their security and identity, a far greater challenge than the possibility that they might infect people they do care about. Hence the visceral anger.

You can't get through to These People with anything that suggests they might be ill or weak in any way.
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:42 PM
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Trump illegally endorsed a pizza place on Twitter yesterday, and a bunch of those idiots seem to think that was coded instructions to do something. There are a bunch of really weird replies.

I'm not conversant enough in Qanon to know what these people are planning to do, but I predict it is something stupid.
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:46 PM
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You can't get through to These People with anything that suggests they might be ill or weak in any way.
I think some of it also has to do with the fact that "keeping calm and carrying on" is the usual response to danger or threat, and they're just not appropriately registering that this is different from, say, war or terrorism.
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Insofar as you're suggesting that mask deniers might be normal people with normal cognitive distortions, I can't accept that interpretation.
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They do have normal cognitive distortions, though. They just don't have the normal ability to evaluate their validity.

So for example, I'm pretty sure almost all of us wanted Trump to be right about the virus just magically disappearing, right? I did. The difference is that most of us knew that ignoring it or wishing that were true wouldn't make it go away. The deniers thought it would, and that's where the real difference is.
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A gun "to protect others" is to (they say) protect others from bad people.
Yep, my favorite question to someone who carries a gun for protection is if they also carry trauma pads, or wear armor. Of course they don’t because in their fantasy land the bad guy has terrible aim or announces “I’m the bad guy, any hero want to shoot me?” before the attack.

It’s no wonder so many fly off the handle assaulting people or places when they’ve been taught you ‘defend’ with a gun through aggressive assault. Ya know, I’ve been enjoying Maggie Mae Fish’s breakdown of Zach Snyder’s work, and there’s a lot of themes that he pushes that fit with Qanon.
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In fact I think part 2 fits quite well in this thread,
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Nuremberg 2.0 is gonna be lit.
Especially tragic, they think Trump is getting ready to cancel all debt. Just wipe it out. And if we can believe what they're saying, some of them are racking up extra debt right now in anticipation.

And they're in a tizzy today with the release of the Epstein/Maxwell stuff.
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It sounds like I would love it, but it's just 3 white guys, isn't it?
Keep in mind that white voices are often the best way to actually reach white ears.
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It sounds like I would love it, but it's just 3 white guys, isn't it?
Keep in mind that white voices are often the best way to actually reach white ears.
Probably, and if it reaches an audience that might be swayed by QAnon, that's great. But I have a self-imposed rule that any new podcast I listen to increases the diversity of voices.
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Well, I listened to one episode now, and I feel physically sick with what I heard. The world sounds just plain fuuuucked.
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There's a special kind of sadness/alienation in having grown up in a Christian family, and then attending bible college, and then being super involved in a church for almost two decades . . . and then having so many of the people I've known the longest lose their minds to Q-Anon.
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They held protests yesterday, and one little glimmer of hope I got was that they seemed relatively small, based on the video from the NYC and Hollywood ones. There were cars honking in 'support' of the Hollywood one, but I'm guessing most people who did that thought it was BLM or something. Their signs are kind of all over the place and not easy to parse from a moving car. (Also, let us hearken back to FOSTA, and how lots of people got suckered into supporting that based on the same "saving children from sex trafficking" appeals.)

The NYC one should have been relatively big, I'd think, because one major thing is that they think COVID is a hoax designed to keep people inside while the police and military excavate tunnels under Central Park to rescue the mole children being bred there for andrenochrome. And the Hollywood one should have been, too, because Hollywood in general is heavily implicated.
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An anti-mask cult in Illinois might spread coronavirus across the country – BGR

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While anyone should be free to practice whatever religion he or she believes in, it’s no secret that religious gatherings have been the source of major COVID-19 outbreaks. One of Korea’s significant clusters started that way, and religious meetings in India allowed super spreading events to disseminate the virus. The CDC recently published a study that shows the high transmission risk of COVID-19 at large religious gatherings. The research shows that 35 people out of 92 who attended a church service in rural Arkansas in the early weeks of March were infected with COVID-19, and three people died.

Without abiding protection guidelines, Sondergaard’s cult risks turning into another significant cluster and causing similar outbreaks in other parts of the country where he and his followers plan to travel next.
Large tent revivals packed with maskless covidiots that then go out and spread the word and the Rona.
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I thought about morons with guns or black lives matter.

Another Lone Gunman's Random Act of Nonpolitical Violence

So dipshit is asked to wear a mask, gets pissed off, steals cigars, shoots at clerk.

The next day the cops go to arrest him, he pulls out an ak47 and starts shooting. Though the guy was shot, he of course lives.

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Zaborowski’s alleged rampage started Friday morning at Cigars International in Bethlehem Township, where he adamantly argued he didn’t have to wear a mask, even after a clerk offered to serve him curbside.

Instead, Zaborowski pulled out a sheet of paper to point out a line in Pennsylvania state law that he insisted proved he didn’t have to wear a mask, a witness to the scene told WFMZ. In fact, Pennsylvania, which has had more than 113,000 cases of covid-19 and more than 7,200 deaths, made masks mandatory in most locations outside of the home starting July 1.

“It’s crazy,” said Tom Gallagher, who was shopping in the store at the time. “It’s the mask. The guy was obviously anti-mask.”
Indeed, he is antimask.

This is obviously rightwing terrorism. You have exactly the sort of person who ready to be radicalized

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The case is the latest violent incident tied to arguments over mandatory mask orders. But Zaborowski’s reaction was driven by his own intense difficulty with the pandemic, his attorney claimed; before the shootout, Zaborowski had lost his job and had also recently lost custody of his child.
Then you add a bunch of rightwing deathcult propaganda about how the Hoaxing Dems are stealing his freedumbs.

He picks a fight based on these beliefs and then shoots at multiple people including cops.


Sstochastic terrorism in the time of Rona.


It isn't portrayed that way in the paper. I know the quotes about the dipshit being down on his luck do come from the guy's attorney, but there is no larger context at all. Just some mentions that there happens to be other mask violence and isues.

The white rightwing terrorist is a lone gunman who just isn't handling the pandemic well.
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Yep, good people on both sides. :dumbass:
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One thing Iíve been worried about for awhile is how much the US and the south in particular is primed to have a bunch of little and a few big murder suicides. The number of americans that are in the same boat as him, with easy access to weapons and who feel all alone thanks to american libertarian ideals is just going to increase.

Partly unrelated but here seems as fine a place as any, Iíve been thinking a lot of the gas lighting the Ďgreatest generationí did to everyone while also being a broken generation that survived a war only to end up in constant impending doom, who then raised broken children who never knew the odd things their parents did were a result of two world wars and a depression and not just how things were, while then spending the next 50 or so years worshiping them, in their own state of perpetual doom. Creating post war generation both beaten and spoiled, ill prepared for a world not constantly at war.

Itís only a partially formed thought but so many angry white men seem to have breakdowns when confronted with reality compared to what they were taught is the truth.
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Angry? quite often. I mean look at this shit. White? yup. Man? *checks pants, appearance and feelings* yup. Confronted with reality? I try to avoid it but it does keep confronting me. Having a breakdown? it's more of a permanent state but yup.
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Terrorism Experts Say QAnon Conspiracy Theory a Threat to National Security

I haven't read the report yet, but this is the part that scares me the most so far:

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Argentino and Amarasingam poured over Prim’s social media activity and built a map of her radicalization. “What stands out with this case is the rapidity with which Prim apparently radicalized to violence,” they said. “From her first contact with QAnon propaganda, apparently on April 9, 2020...20 days passed until she made threats of offline violence while in transit to New York City.”
The way it starts by exploiting existing belief systems, minor conspiracy theories and varieties of paranoia, there are a million paths in to Qanon, and so far, very few paths out.
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