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Old 03-01-2012, 04:41 PM
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Do Europeans have better protection of their rights than Merkuns?

BBC News - Google privacy changes 'in breach of EU law'
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:08 PM
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We (Americans) don't really have any privacy protections. It's completely ridiculous.
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I recently sent an irate e-mail to pipl (or some similar site) for publishing my birth certificate on their website. I don't know where in god's earth they got that or how, but it is absolutely offensive to me that in an age where identity theft is not only a real concern but COMMON my very personal documents were online for the whole world to see. Your city of birth is a security question for a lot of important websites whether it's banking or job listings. That sort of breach of personal information should be illegal.
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:47 AM
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our city of birth is a security question for a lot of important websites whether it's banking or job listings. That sort of breach of personal information should be illegal.
It's often why I don't answer these questions truthfully. Back when people cared about Palin she had her e-mail account "hacked" by someone hunting down her secret question answers. Most of which she had made public at one time or another.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:58 PM
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We (Americans) don't really have any privacy protections. It's completely ridiculous.
I recently sent an irate e-mail to pipl (or some similar site) for publishing my birth certificate on their website. I don't know where in god's earth they got that or how, but it is absolutely offensive to me that in an age where identity theft is not only a real concern but COMMON my very personal documents were online for the whole world to see. Your city of birth is a security question for a lot of important websites whether it's banking or job listings. That sort of breach of personal information should be illegal.
That's what all the muslims from Kenya say, isn't it?
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our city of birth is a security question for a lot of important websites whether it's banking or job listings. That sort of breach of personal information should be illegal.
It's often why I don't answer these questions truthfully. Back when people cared about Palin she had her e-mail account "hacked" by someone hunting down her secret question answers. Most of which she had made public at one time or another.
Good point. I don't make my information public, either. But since my birth certificate was found, I might as well make my own "cover identity" just for my security information. Most of my friends that I know personally don't know where I was born, what my mother's maiden name is, or my father's middle name...it's frustrating that a complete stranger can figure it out.
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Holy smokes, this is good. I mean, it's bad, but good that it's getting out there some more. It is a PDF, but too bad! You still have to read it!

Pam Dixon's congressional testimony on data brokers

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What do a retired librarian in Wisconsin in the early stages of Alzheimer's, a police officer, and a mother in Texas have in common?
The answer is that all were victims of consumer data brokers.
Data brokers collect, compile, buy and sell personally identifiable information about who we are, what we do, and much of our ďdigital exhaust.Ē
We are their business models. The police officer was ďuncoveredĒ by a data broker who revealed his family information online, jeopardizing his safety. The mother was a victim of domestic violence who was deeply concerned about people finder web sites that published and sold her home address online. The librarian lost her life savings and retirement because a data broker put her on an eager elderly buyer and frequent donor list. She was deluged with predatory offers.
Also, don't miss the part about the company selling names and addresses of "rape sufferers."

It's funny how so many people will say that if you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind having all your information public, but then they don't apply that to the companies compiling that information.

IMO, your personal information should be treated as your personal property. Every person should have free access to information gathered about them for profit. They should be able to look at it, correct it, or prohibit collection entirely.

But, you know, also IMO, the world would be a better place if every con artist and predator, and those who aid and abet them, were vaporized and/or shot out of a cannon into the ocean.

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Hasn't the ocean suffered enough?
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OK, I gotta say some more stuff because I think this is really important.

So back when I was a kid, I delivered Meals on Wheels, and they gave me the dangerous route because of how badass I am. It was a high-crime economically depressed area, and all but one of my clients were living in either run down urban trailer parks or residential motels. Most of them were old, all of them were disabled in at least one way, and all but maybe two of them were on the brink of homelessness. You know, they didn't have enough food, their utilities would get turned off regularly, things like that. AND almost all of them had at some point been defrauded by some kind of predatory con artist who had targeted them specifically because of they were old, lonely, desperate, and often cognitively impaired.

That was a long time ago, and since then, things have really only gotten worse as the shitheads have fine tuned their tactics and their data extraction techniques. Right now, a bunch of shitty dataminers think that my dad is still alive and living at my house, so I get a lot of elder fraud type scams here. Direct mailers that look like bills with disclaimers in print too fine for an 89 year old, timeshare bullshit, these alarmist scams selling water line insurance, things like that. Plus, I get what I think are generic scams, like those fake tech support calls, alarm scams where they say the FBI has been reporting break-ins in the neighborhood, credit repair, duct cleaning, and all kinds of shit of varying degrees of criminality. Some are selling fraudulently overpriced and unnecessary things, others are straight up stealing.

But they are all criminals, and the dataminers who facilitate their crimes are absolutely complicit.

Obviously, the outright fraud and thefts are the worst of the worst scenarios. Most privileged people will at worst find some errors on their credit reports or something, and don't know or care about the types of things that less privileged people are subjected to. So FYI, that is the sort of thing that happens to other people all the time. Know that.

Also, let me just add that I loathe the victim-blaming when people say gullible people deserve to be scammed because they're stupid. Cause yes, that is how it works. They target people who are likely to have social or cognitive impairments that make them easier to victimize.
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:34 PM
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Ha ha I am bamping this thread again, and you can't stop me!

Anil Dash is talking about privacy and he's smart.

What Is Public? - The Message - Medium

There's this very consistent dynamic around these things that seems to repeat itself over and over. First, there's the creeping technology. So things that were afforded some privacy through obscurity in the past have increasingly less obscurity than they used to. So it used to be that if you wanted to access someone's public records, you had to specifically go looking for them. You'd maybe have to go down to a courthouse and search each type of record individually, for each person you wanted information on. So unless you were a huge celebrity or you had a very dedicated stalker or something, people probably weren't looking up your information often, if at all. Just because it required someone care enough to do the legwork.

But then, as those records started coming online, it became easier and easier to collect them, not just individually, not just because of a specific interest in a specific type of information about a specific person, but en masse. You started to be able to run queries, and opportunist companies started popping up exploiting that and aggregating and selling personal information about everyone regardless of notability or individual interest.

And really, there was never a bright line there that was crossed. It's not a fundamental change in what constitutes public information or anything, but simply a change in technique. It just started happening with no real fanfare or public discussion, and often without any real public awareness, either.

At the same time, too, the way people communicate started to change. Communication channels like the phone and mail with established privacy controls started being supplanted by newer technologies, often controlled by private companies with no real oversight or regulation. And if you complained about it, the argument was always that it was optional to use those services.

But it really isn't anymore. Not really. At some point, having a Facebook account became mandatory in a lot of ways. You started seeing stories about schools and employers requiring access to people's Facebook accounts, and people started making strange and often hostile assumptions that people without them were paranoid or deceptive or something. At some point a while back, choosing not to use a privately owned, unregulated service became some kind of extreme radical act. And it happened really, really quickly. And Facebook collects shadow profiles of people who don't have accounts, so you really don't have a choice at all.


And here's the other dynamic: It's boring. Nobody wants to hear crap about data collection and aggregation and predictive modeling. So people don't really understand it until it's too late, and once it's too late, it's normalized to the point that they don't even notice that things are different.

So virtually everyone actively involved in changing modes of communication and notions of privacy is explicitly vested in making every intimate detail of your life public. And participation in supposedly optional services gets more difficult all the time and limits your ability to participate in other optional services, and eventually mandatory ones as well.

So at first, people don't pay attention to things because they're weird and boring and conceptual and require some kind of specialized understanding, so they ignore it; and then, by the time it comes back to bite them (which it always does), it's so ingrained and they're so compromised already that they try to minimize it and pretend it's normal or at least benign.
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What a fascinating thread. Thank you, Lisarea.

Datamining is just one aspect of how our anonymity and privacy of what we do is increasingly circumscribed by our increasing use of digital conveniences. My movements can be tracked through my credit/debit card and my mobile phone. "Accidents" happen that cause grief on an individual level, such as the instances already mentioned, like dad finding out about his daughter's pregnancy via an email from the Target chain of stores or a partner finding out that she/he flew with the other to some destination that she actually did not.

Then there is the more systematic abuse by predators obtaining information from unscrupulous businesses that specialise in selling targets for at least unconscionable if not outrightly fraudulent exploitation. We are now getting into more systematic abuse here, and it's a growing concern because the profit motive does tend to abrade coatings of moral restraint.

Worst of all - and this is something we are not likely to hear much detail about - how many people with Andrew Pole's talents are working for the many surveillance institutions of governments all over the world? Institutions, the budgets of which dwarf that of the IT departments of major corporations? Yes, it's wonderful that they should enable terrorists to be nabbed before they can do their evil deeds, but what if, say, those institutions also spend a lot of effort to stymie whistleblowers and assorted critics of government and private enterprise? How much longer would it have taken for the Iron Curtain to have dropped if the STASI and the KGB had today's technology at its fingertips? Do we know if the NSA is fundamentally different to them?

Before reading this thread I was quite relaxed about datamining. Now not so much.
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Paypal called the other day wanting money. Someone signed up for an acount using my name and an old home address from 15 years ago. Without the internet, who would have known my old address from 15 years ago.

I changed a couple of passwords on some stuff like ebay, paypal, and hotmail so they wouldn't link together as easy. But someone is out there getting ready to scam me. I feel old.

I wonder if Batman worried about this sort of thing all the time.
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This is my favorite song about a data brokerage, BTW:

Vienna Teng Aims 05 The Hymn of Acxiom - YouTube
Downloaded, shared on facebook, absolutely loving it. Talk about mailed fist in velvet glove... Brilliant. Now I'm listening to more stuff by Vienna Teng. Why haven't I heard of her before?

And thank you for the link. :)
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Well, I'm eventually changing my legal name to Ari, so not really that anonymous.
Really? n15:9 . . . this in accord with the fourteen Ari's theme.
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I was thinking last night that when I was a kid the idea of being a Neilsen family sounded glamorous and important. I was still impressed in my late teens when we actually were one, although my dad deliberately fucked with them by watching all his regular shows on Canadian networks instead of American ones for those weeks.

But now I hate the idea that all my viewing is tracked. I'm sure it is. I'm sure Comcast records exactly where my cable box is set at all times and what I watch on demand or through the app. But I try not to give other clues. Like if I see an ad for something and I'm intrigued I will try to wait until I'm at work to look it up so they don't know the ad was working. It bothers me that I'm being watched and it bothers me that I have to be vigilant about it.

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And this! So much this. I have had arguments upon arguments with my union members because I insist that we cannot make union documents available only by posting them to the Yahoo group we set up. Anyone can get e-mails from the group, but only people with a Yahoo ID can see the documents. I have said over and over that we cannot require people to use the services of a private company in order to have access to the union, but people just don't get it. And putting my foot down about not posting the contract to Yahoo was one of the elements that caused one of my coworkers not to speak to me for a year. They think I am a freak and a zealot for acting like that, by why the fuck would I want our union contract where anyone could see it?
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Black Box Society by Frank Pasquale: A chilling vision of how Big Data has invaded our lives.

AND A COUPLE OF THINGS.

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You control the algorithms by not implementing them.

I don't care about agency. It doesn't matter if these are blind decisions made by computers or just shortsighted ones made by human actuaries. The effects are the same, and they are predictable.

When you codify a flawed system, you codify the flaws. Duh.

Whether the people who implement those systems are personally bigots is just some boring story about their boring feelings. I don't know them, and I don't care.

The funny and shocking thing about studying and replicating complex systems is that it is complex! Decisions aren't simply a matter of concrete questions answered in a predictable way to predictable results. They're complicated, intertwined systems where information is tangled up in strange, subtle, often ambiguous ways. Even something like redlining is not explicitly racist. It's just the practice of codifying a racist system, and predictably produces racist results. It doesn't matter if someone is intentionally introducing a system that results in unfair discrimination, or if it's just a side effect. The end result is the same.

And anyone working on predictive models like this knows that. They know they're codifying a system that has all kinds of dumb bigotries and other bullshit baked right into it, and they're doing it anyway.
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It might have been me. Sometimes when I get mad, I go roll around in my grave for a while.
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Hahahahaha. Oh pea, you're going to fucking looooove this.

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Nothing inspires my confidence like a room full of young, white male "banking executives" with a giant whiteboard. That kind of thing never fails to result in the sort of barrier-dismantling disruptive business practices that benefit humankind as a whole. So objective and logical! So egalitarian! Science! Math and computers!

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This is an extremely good comic book about data collection and privacy, and it reinforces my personal biases on several issues, so it is very smart.

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I feel like now I want to have a photoshop contest with that whiteboard. :chin:

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I have a couple ideas, but it's past my bedtime.
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