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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Want some syrup with those waffles, Crumb?
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05-19-2011, 10:37 AM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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I think we should set ourselves an arbitrary deadline for a lynching. How about by noon Friday?
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I already said that I will vote for Jerome if it comes down to it, especially now with his most recent posts. I understand about team playing, but I just want to make sure that I am playing with town and not being led around by the nose by scum.
Gonzo, do you not think that Raven's posts have been off?
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As usual, I'm having trouble reading raven. So far I have been more inclined to think she is town when weighed against my experience from playing on a scum team with her once. In that game she under a good deal of suspicion due to the fact of her having not been scum on Rationalia for the majority of her games there, so there was an implied notion by some players that she had to be scum. Observing her play, then, I noticed she had made a great deal of effort in trying to replicate her town game in a way that was stilted and somewhat contradictory from post to post. I haven't picked up on the same behavior here and she is reminding me, instead, of the game we played at TR where we were both town. Raven was reliant of meta in that game, to the point of falsely FOSing me, and she made a point that she wasn't going to be lead around by anyone when she thinks she is right about something. As scum, in my limited experience, I think raven is more followy than stubborn.
So, to answer you clearly, I think raven is playing differently, but I couldn't discern whether or not is reflects on her alignment with much confidance.
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Am I reading this right ...You played a scum game with raven at rationalia? Which one was that?
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My first game at Rationalia. Azathoth (/Dagon)'s Drama Mafia.
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05-19-2011, 10:50 AM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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I'd be willing to lynch jerome or pan.
I think we should agree on the deadline and when it hits lynch the largest bandwagon at that point. Anyone interested in that sort of thing?
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I am absolutely not in favor of this. Scum can just sit then and wait for the day to end.
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Any ideas at all how to get the game moving? I suppose we could all list who we'd lynch, but (if I recall correctly) even a clear majority on Jerome didn't get us anywhere.
Just look at the vote tally - everyone is somewhere else in their suspicions. Thee are a few people I wouldn't mind lynching, but Jerome I think has the most support and deserves to be lynched the most.
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Further, I am convinced that there is scum on the Jerome wagon. It's such a convenient wagon because everything from meta to his admittedly bad logic opens all kinds of doors to hop on board.
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Yeah.
and on one or more of the other bandwagons as well.
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I find this exchange annoying. It isn't helpful and it's making the day drag on.
WHO on the Jerome wagon do you think is scum? WHY?
If you don't want to lynch Jerome, you'd better build a case to lynch someone else, not just go on about how the case against him is easy or too weak. Prove to us there is someone more worthy of a lynch.
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05-19-2011, 02:06 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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I find this exchange annoying. It isn't helpful and it's making the day drag on.
WHO on the Jerome wagon do you think is scum? WHY?
If you don't want to lynch Jerome, you'd better build a case to lynch someone else, not just go on about how the case against him is easy or too weak. Prove to us there is someone more worthy of a lynch.
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I have already stated whom I think is scummy and why. And I voted for them. I think that the other non-Jerome bandwagoners have done the same.
I have already stated my case for Crumb and I am not the only person who thinks that he is scummy. I think my case for Crumb being scum is just as viable as the one that is in play against Jerome.
But you know what? You are right. This day will never end unless 8 people vote for the same person. And I do not want to be accused of not being a team player and holding the game up.
If Jerome flips town you, Raven and Bey will have some answering to do.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of lynching Jerome. But lynching him just to be a team player and not because you think he's scum? And holding others responsible for your choice in advance? What the hell?
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05-19-2011, 02:37 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Sounds like you're writing a narrative for tomorrow diva.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Same question to everyone, actually ... Pan's half arsed posts ... lynchworthy or not? I think lynch.
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I think IMO Pan is playing the way he normally does so I dont really have a read on him.
I am still good with Jerome, Crumb or Nightson
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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I find this exchange annoying. It isn't helpful and it's making the day drag on.
WHO on the Jerome wagon do you think is scum? WHY?
If you don't want to lynch Jerome, you'd better build a case to lynch someone else, not just go on about how the case against him is easy or too weak. Prove to us there is someone more worthy of a lynch.
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I have already stated whom I think is scummy and why. And I voted for them. I think that the other non-Jerome bandwagoners have done the same.
I have already stated my case for Crumb and I am not the only person who thinks that he is scummy. I think my case for Crumb being scum is just as viable as the one that is in play against Jerome.
But you know what? You are right. This day will never end unless 8 people vote for the same person. And I do not want to be accused of not being a team player and holding the game up.
If Jerome flips town you, Raven and Bey will have some answering to do.
unvote, vote Jerome
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The same goes for you, Diva. You've been as reluctant as you've been agreeable about his lynch. On one hand saying you would vote for him, but on the other claiming you thought his wagoneers were scum. Talk about mixed messages.
So anyway that's L-2 for Jerry.
Anyone not voting for Jerome should consider what he has done to help the town and share it with us because I am at a loss. He has been belligerant and unfair in his characterizations of the play of others. The defense of his being persecuted for the content of his character rather than his gameplay will not work here because that hasn't been the case. If you don't want to see him lynched defend his gameplay, I'd like to see you try. Afterall, he isn't doing it himself. Instead he comes back with OMGUS accusations against his wagoneers that only amount to more mischaracterizing.
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05-19-2011, 02:48 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of lynching Jerome. But lynching him just to be a team player and not because you think he's scum? And holding others responsible for your choice in advance? What the hell?
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Don't try to leap all over me just because you think that I am easy pickings, Pan. If you have been following the thread (and you claim that you have, despite your peripheral participation) i have stated that I have not played with Jerome before and while his recent posts look a little scummy I don't think that they are outstandingly so. The driving force behind most people's votes seem to be based upon meta, which I have no knowledge of. Sometimes it is wise to defer to other's greater experience...and that is what I am doing, although if he flips town I am going to question the judgment of those whom I have deferred to.
If someone would have told me that we needed an 8 count vote lynch on day 1, I would have laughed and said that it could not have been done. I have seen it done before, but it is rare. I am not going to hold town back just because I don't see the popular point of view. If I could not swing the vote with my case against Crumb (whom I STILL think is supremely scummy) by now then it is unlikely to happen, unless he suffers a pang of conscience and decides to confess all of his dirty little secrets and future plans. I am deferring to the people that I think are town because they may be seeing something that I don't. It is called recognising one's limitations.
And FOS you for lurking but zooming in when one of the weaker players changes their vote. Nice try, in trying to take any suspicion off of you.
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Sounds like you're writing a narrative for tomorrow diva.
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No kidding. It's so much like her scum game it isn't even funny. She has been on and off my list of lynchees in this game, but every other post she's back on it again.
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05-19-2011, 02:57 PM
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Sounds like you're writing a narrative for tomorrow diva.
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So says the person who was on the same scum team as the person whom I did not think was scum, but trusted everyone else's judgment because they insisted that he was scum (and they were right). This is starting to feel like deja vu...
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05-19-2011, 03:44 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of lynching Jerome. But lynching him just to be a team player and not because you think he's scum? And holding others responsible for your choice in advance? What the hell?
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Don't try to leap all over me just because you think that I am easy pickings, Pan. If you have been following the thread (and you claim that you have, despite your peripheral participation) i have stated that I have not played with Jerome before and while his recent posts look a little scummy I don't think that they are outstandingly so. The driving force behind most people's votes seem to be based upon meta, which I have no knowledge of. Sometimes it is wise to defer to other's greater experience...and that is what I am doing, although if he flips town I am going to question the judgment of those whom I have deferred to.
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Odd, I get the impression that most people who vote for Jerome do so because of his shitty play. When meta gets mentioned, it's because he played shitty as a townie in the Nancy Drew game.
And my original point remains: you are the sole person responsible for your vote. If you think Jerome is town, don't vote for him; if you trust other people to point you to scum, you have no-one but yourself to blame if you're participating to a townie lynch. And I still think that's a poor reason for a vote.
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OMGUS you too!
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05-19-2011, 04:31 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of lynching Jerome. But lynching him just to be a team player and not because you think he's scum? And holding others responsible for your choice in advance? What the hell?
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Don't try to leap all over me just because you think that I am easy pickings, Pan. If you have been following the thread (and you claim that you have, despite your peripheral participation) i have stated that I have not played with Jerome before and while his recent posts look a little scummy I don't think that they are outstandingly so. The driving force behind most people's votes seem to be based upon meta, which I have no knowledge of. Sometimes it is wise to defer to other's greater experience...and that is what I am doing, although if he flips town I am going to question the judgment of those whom I have deferred to.
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Odd, I get the impression that most people who vote for Jerome do so because of his shitty play. When meta gets mentioned, it's because he played shitty as a townie in the Nancy Drew game.
And my original point remains: you are the sole person responsible for your vote. If you think Jerome is town, don't vote for him; if you trust other people to point you to scum, you have no-one but yourself to blame if you're participating to a townie lynch. And I still think that's a poor reason for a vote.
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OMGUS you too!
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Let me restate this, because maybe you missed it...
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Sometimes it is wise to defer to other's greater experience...and that is what I am doing, although if he flips town I am going to question the judgment of those whom I have deferred to.
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I have already said whom I think is scum. I voted for them. But I do not think that I will be able to swing the vote against him, if I could, it would have happened by now. I think my case against him is pretty fucking convincing.
So I will defer to other people's judgment. Jerome to me is erratic, which makes him harder to read.
I do not understand his misreading of Raven's post. Raven says that he was doing it on purpose but I find that hard to believe. But if other people say that based on previous game behaviour, this is what may be a scum tell for him then I will defer to their greater experience. His latest posts look a little scummy to me, but I am not convinced. I say Crumb looks scummier. This is my first game where there has to be a majority for a single player in order for the day to end. If you have missed what I said, let me repeat it; I am having to look at the game in a different way and one that I am unfamiliar with.
I am not trying to avoid accountability for my vote. I understand clearly that my vote is my own responsibility. If Jerome flips town than I acquiesce that I might have been mislead by those who do not have the same interests as I.
I am trying to play in the best interests of town. I have said whom I wish to see lynched, but I don't see how being stubborn will help town in any way, especially if there is something about Jerome's gameplay that I am missing.
Get it?
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05-19-2011, 05:17 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
unvote Vote Divagreen
You are looking for an excuse to Lynch Town whilst setting up an excuse as to why it's not your fault Town was Lynched.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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unvote Vote Divagreen
You are looking for an excuse to Lynch Town whilst setting up an excuse as to why it's not your fault Town was Lynched.
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I find this funny.
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05-19-2011, 09:42 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Do you still think some of Jerome's wagoneers are scum, Diva?
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Sounds like you're writing a narrative for tomorrow diva.
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So says the person who was on the same scum team as the person whom I did not think was scum, but trusted everyone else's judgment because they insisted that he was scum (and they were right). This is starting to feel like deja vu...
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My head hurts. What are you saying? Which game?
I know everyone here loves meta but this reminds me a lot of your scum game. You hate being scum, having to kill people, so you get all apologetic and defensive in thread. Are you scum diva? You'll feel a lot better if you confess. Get that nasty weight off your chest.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Do you still think some of Jerome's wagoneers are scum, Diva?
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Yes I do, because I am still not convinced that he is scum. He might be, which is why I voted for him, but he might not be and I still say there are scummier suspects.
Like, right now I am looking at Deadloked. I have avoided him because A) he is so much more fun to play with than some of the other players and B) I doubted that I could build a case against him enough that I could convince other people.
He develops a sense of humour when he is scum. Fragment, you are not crazy. This is his scum game and no wonder he has developed amnesia about the game that I was referring to since he was scum in that game. Here DL, let me help you along...
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=38526
If one goes back and rereads his first few contributions in that game and rereads his first few contributions here, the similarities are unmistakable.
I think that DL and Crumb are scum. I feel oh so much sure about it. I doubt that I will be able to swing the vote though.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
I was trying to get lynched in that game diva. I had no idea who my teammate was that you were referring to.
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I was trying to get lynched in that game diva. I had no idea who my teammate was that you were referring to.
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DeanM. It is pretty evident in the thread.
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I was trying to get lynched in that game diva. I had no idea who my teammate was that you were referring to.
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DeanM. It is pretty evident in the thread.
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Right. It was the original sentence that was doing my head in, all the "person on the scum team that the person on the scum team that I didn't think was the person on the scum team". I was about to draw a diagram to get it straight.
Anyhoo, you appear to be flailing a bit. I like it.
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I was trying to get lynched in that game diva. I had no idea who my teammate was that you were referring to.
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DeanM. It is pretty evident in the thread.
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Right. It was the original sentence that was doing my head in, all the "person on the scum team that the person on the scum team that I didn't think was the person on the scum team". I was about to draw a diagram to get it straight.
Anyhoo, you appear to be flailing a bit. I like it.
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^^^He is so scummy that it is not funny. He only thinks that I am flailing when I am counterproductive to his motives.
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05-20-2011, 01:21 AM
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No, you are flailing. Remember that game when you had killers remorse and you flailed like a medieval weapon and then went to town on everyone. Good times.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
I am currently going through finals and having a cat die slowly of lymphoma. So yeah, fun times. I don't want to ask for a replacement, but I'm not sure how much I'll be posting in the short term. If there's someone who really wanted in then I wouldn't mind giving up my place.
Game observation wise, I almost think this game makes more sense with two competing scum teams.
Diva is back on my potential scum list for her post saying bey and Raven will have answering to do. Back on my willing to lynch list as it were.
Hey Jerome. unvote, vote: Jerome You're at L-1 now, time to claim.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Okay, not actually at L-1 since Diva unvoted.
Vote Count as it stands right now.
ravenscape
JEROME [6] ravenscape, beyelzu, Gonzo, teasasue, Pan Narrans, Nightson
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Pan Narrans [2] Elouise, Crumb
divagreen [3] Megatron, JEROME, Deadlokd,
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Crumb [1] fragment,
beyelzu
wei yau
Elouise
Nightson [1] wei yau
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