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I wrote this four years ago, in response to some spam email I received (the spam part is in bold). It does not necessarily represent my exact views today.

On Being a Bad American

I believe that human beings have an obligation to make every effort, with consideration given to their own personal limits, to act in ways that are beneficial to other human beings, non-human animals, and the environment in which we all live. I am, however, also an atheist, and I believe that life (as we know it) will one day cease to be. The sun will burn out, life on Earth will wither away, and it will be totally irrelevant what happened prior to this. These beliefs, while seemingly contradictory, are fundamental to my opinion of life.

In essence, you could say that I try to live by the principle of “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, while acknowledging that this is only relevant for the present, and ultimately inconsequential. Put yet another way: I don’t believe that there is an ‘inherent’ right or wrong in anything, and I therefore don’t trust someone else to determine what is right and wrong for me. With that said, here is my response to a letter I received via e-mail. The statements that are in bold type are the statements from the original document. My comments follow each of those statements. I’m not sure how much of this is supposed to be satirical, given the fact that I have met many people who hold these very opinions, so for the sake of argument I’m going to respond to each statement as though it was serious.

“Yes, I'm a bad American BAD American I'm Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American.”

As inclined as I am to take a statement like this at face value, I’d rather explore the individual statements and draw my own conclusions.

“I like big cars, big cigars and big tits without artificial ingredients.”

A. I dislike big cars because they cause excessive waste of natural and material resources, which deprives other human beings of the right to a basic level of comfort.

B. I personally prefer cigarettes to big cigars. However, while I will always vehemently defend the right of the individual to choose to smoke, I do blame the manufacturers and advertisers for the vast majority of smoking that goes on. Believe me, if it wasn’t so fervently promoted in our society, (portrayed as ‘adult’ and ‘cool’, etc.) you’d be hard pressed to find many people willing to risk it in spite of the obvious and devastating possible consequences.

C. Freud makes the last point hard to debate. If I agree that I like large, natural breasts, it will appear as though I’m fixated on my Mother. However, if I say that I prefer small breasts (which I do, incidentally) then I’m accused of pedophilia. All in all, though, I’d say it’s far too difficult to generalize about such things, given the infinite number of variables that contribute to the opinions of human beings.

“I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not to some midlevel bureaucrat with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.”

This is a hard one. At first glance it seems as though the sentiment being expressed is that the speaker and his family are more important than the health of society as a whole. As I mentioned in my opening paragraph, I don’t agree with this sentiment. Another problem I have with the statement relates to another pet peeve of mine. I believe that the distribution of wealth on Earth is extremely inequitable. In other words, I don’t believe that, at least here in America, how much money you make has anything to do with your value to society. In America you can make millions of dollars from selling a valueless product to gullible people, without making a substantial contribution to the health and welfare of other humans. In my estimation of things this means you got lucky. And no, I don’t think that your luck entitles you and your family to live more comfortably than anyone else.

On the other hand, I see your point about “crack addicts squirting out babies”. In my opinion, people who are not financially, emotionally, or physically capable of handling the extraordinary responsibility of raising children, should not be allowed to have them. I know that this is a dangerous comment to make and that it opens the door to a whole lot of scary possibilities but really, somebody has to consider the quality of life these kids are going to have, and the effect this poor upbringing is going to have on society as a whole, and take a stand.

“I don't care about appearing compassionate.”

This could be taken as “I am compassionate and I don’t care what others think” or “I’m not compassionate and I don’t care what others think.” If it’s the former, I couldn’t agree more. If the latter, then it sounds as if the speaker is incapable of empathy, and therefore probably does not act in accordance with the principle of ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you’. As I mentioned in the first paragraph, I have a problem with that.

“I know that playing with guns doesn't make you a killer.”

This statement seems to be a criticism of gun regulation, however the point isn’t very well made. I’ve never heard anyone say that playing with guns makes someone a killer. However, the ready availability of guns does simplify killing for those who are so inclined. I believe this is inarguable, and I am therefore a proponent of gun regulation. I like shooting guns as much as the next guy (though I only did it during my brief stint in the Army) but since I don’t have any plans to kill anyone (human or non-human animal) anytime soon, I am getting along just fine without a gun. And yes, I eat meat, and no, I don’t believe that makes me a hypocrite. I have said before and I’ll say again: I believe there is a significant difference between the desire to eat meat and the desire to kill something. Blame it on society, if you must. I was raised to believe that eating meat is a perfectly acceptable, natural and desirable thing to do, but I was raised to believe the opposite about killing. So… I don’t condone the killing of animals, but since you’ll be killing it anyway you might as well cook me up a piece.


“I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason.”

This is another one I don’t really understand. It sounds like an argument in favor of maintaining a ‘boys-only’ policy for the Boy Scouts Association. I don’t see any problem with that. It’s not as if there isn’t a Girl Scouts for the girls to join. However, I’ve never heard of anyone disputing the boys-only policy of the Boy Scouts. The only debate I’m aware of regarding the Boy Scouts is whether or not they should allow homosexual leaders, which I am entirely in favor of. Some people are homosexual, right or wrong. I happen to think there’s nothing wrong with it, but even those who do think it’s ‘wrong’ have to admit that it’s a fact of life that homosexuals will exist. Why should kids be ‘sheltered’ from that reality?

“I think I'm better than the homeless.”

I have two problems with this statement. One is that it favors the individual over a group of other people, which I think I’ve clearly stated I’m against. The other problem I have is that depending on infinite variables, it may be vastly simpler for the speaker to have a home than it is for the homeless person. It is therefore absurd for the speaker to assume that he/she is somehow superior to another person who may have been faced with much greater challenges, and who may very well out-perform the speaker if they were to have started on equal footing.

“I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized.”

I agree completely that being a minority doesn’t make you noble. I’ll even go so far as to agree that being a minority does not, in and of itself, make you victimized. However, it is undeniable in light of overwhelming historical evidence that minorities have been victimized in countless circumstances. From slavery to ethnic cleansing, victimization of minorities has cropped up innumerable times. I do agree, though, that many people (minorities and others) take on the mantle of ‘victim’ in circumstances where they themselves have not been victimized, and I think this is ridiculous. I honestly believe that I too am a victim of the fallout of slavery. Though perhaps not as drastically as a black man or woman, a victim nonetheless. It seems to me that the majority of fallout that black men and women experience today is emotional and/or psychological, and I too have a fair amount of emotional/psychological distress as a result of ‘white guilt’.

“I don't care if you call me a racist, a homophobe or a misogynist.”

Once again, we have a statement that could be interpreted in two dramatically different ways. Either: “I’m not a racist, homophobe or misogynist regardless of your opinion”, or “I am a racist, homophobe and misogynist regardless of your opinion”. I think I’ve made it clear that I believe humans deserve to be treated in a fair manner regardless of their race, sexual orientation, or gender, so it should be obvious which of the two possible interpretations of the statement I would have a problem with and which one I think is admirable.


“I am not tolerant of others just because they are different.”

I should hope not. If the ‘difference’ between the speaker and the subject of the statement is that the subject is a rapist, I should think that it would be perfectly within reason not to be tolerant of that person. However, I’m pretty sure that most people who promote tolerance of ‘different’ people are speaking about issues of race, gender, etc. and again, I have to say that tolerance of those who are merely different and not negatively so is not only preferable but also necessary in order for a society to thrive.

“I know that no matter how big Jennifer Lopez's ass gets, I'll still want to see it.”

I have no idea how this statement fits in with any of the others, but in the interest of being thorough I’ll comment. I find ‘big’ asses aesthetically unappealing, and therefore would almost certainly lose interest in Jennifer Lopez’s ass if it were to become larger than my taste permits. I am truly sorry for the many negative consequences to women of our societal obsession with thinness, but I would be lying if I said that a woman’s weight is without substance (no pun intended) in my assessment of her physical attractiveness.

“I don't celebrate Kwanzaa.”

I don’t either. I don’t even know what Kwanzaa is (I’ll go look it up, though) but it sounds like a religious celebration, and I abhor religion.

“I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you do it in English.”

I wonder if the speaker is talking about McDonald’s in America, or everywhere in the world. I would assume he/she is talking about McDonalds in America, because otherwise it would logically follow that he’d have to learn Japanese to buy a Sony product, German to buy a Volkswagen, etc. However, even if the logic is that employees of McDonalds in America should have a perfect command of the English language, which it seems to me it is, it just indicates yet again the speaker’s intolerance of those who are ‘different’ from him, and I can’t agree with that sentiment. I would guess that anyone who has spent time in a foreign country appreciates when the natives are helpful rather than critical, sparing you the time it would take to learn a new language for a one week trip.

“I like my porn without silicon.”

I think porn without silicon is called ‘erotica’. Erotica has the dual benefit of being sexier (in my opinion) than the silicon stuff, and it’s acceptable to even some of the most militant feminists I’ve met. Of course, there’s also a tremendous lack of ‘erotica’ on the market, so sometimes silicon is all you can find. In such a case, one just has to do what one has to do.


“I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for socialist opinions or actions.”

This is another confusing statement. I can’t tell if the person is in for or against “socialist opinions or actions”. In other words, is the person saying “I have socialist opinions and I perform socialist actions, and I don’t excuse these facts by saying “it’s for the children”, or is the person saying “I don’t try to justify socialist opinions or actions by saying “it’s for the children”, because I don’t believe in socialism.” As for my opinion on the subject, you could probably say I endorse socialist opinions and actions. Most people seem to confuse socialism with communism. I don’t think that either is preferable to capitalism as an economic alternative, but I believe that a lot of socialist tenets have merit.

“I want to know when MTV became such crap.”

Another seemingly out-of-place comment, but I’ll address it anyway. I believe it was sometime in the late ‘80’s.

“I think getting a bj is sex, and every man is entitled to at least one extremely sloppy one per month.”

I don’t believe that any human being is “entitled” to any sexual activity. Sex between humans should be a voluntary, consensual act, and if one or the other of the involved parties doesn’t enjoy any aspect of sex, it is his or her right to refuse to do it.

“I know what the definition lying of is.”

Anyone with access to a dictionary knows what the definition of “lying” is. This sounds more like an assertion that the author has a particular belief in what constitutes “lying”, and further believes that their understanding of the word is the only correct one. However, the correct definition is in the dictionary, and I think it’s pretty close to what most of us understand it to mean.

“I think Oprah's eyes are way too far apart.”

This statement seems to indicate a belief that there is a right and wrong distance that human’s eyes should be separated by. I disagree that such a standard exists. However, if the statement is a mere opinion of what the author finds physically appealing, I believe he has the right to state it.

“I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet.”

This isn’t surprising, given the fact that very few people are responsible for the initiative to invent the Internet. I think, though, that this is a reference to a comment attributed to Al Gore regarding his or his family’s involvement in the birth of the Internet. As such I think it’s just an overused joke, because whatever Gore’s intention in making the comment, he clearly doesn’t believe that he invented the Internet.

“I didn't think the damn Taco Bell dog was cute OR funny.”

I thought the dog was cute AND funny. I was surprised, though, when I heard that some Mexican Americans were offended by “the use of a dog to portray Mexicans”. After all, the dog was cute and funny, which is a far cry above the way many minorities are portrayed by the media.

“I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.”

I’m not sure I understand this reference. I didn’t notice that fireworks had changed all that much over the years. This probably has more to do with the fact that I don’t use fireworks than what the truth is, though.

“I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang.”

I agree completely. While I understand the desire to blame tragedy on art and entertainment, I am convinced that a person must be suicidal or homicidal in order to commit acts of suicide or homicide, and that no movie or music ever written has imbued a person with these tendencies. Perhaps the methods that people have used in committing these acts have been influenced by the media, but not the motivation to do it in the first place.

“I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster.”

I think I understand the sentiment being expressed here, but I disagree in part. I suspect, though I’m not positive, that the author is referring to college students here. According to the dictionary, “enlightened” means “intellectually or spiritually insightful”. While I accept that “being a student” doesn’t necessarily make one more enlightened, I believe that education often does, and that most students are the beneficiaries of education. I also believe that those who are more intellectually insightful to begin with will often be more likely to seek out more education. Therefore I believe that students, and those who are exposed to the same information that students are (as I was, having grown up in a college town) do tend to be more “enlightened”.

“I don't want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package.”

I don’t generally like these products either, but their health benefits shouldn’t be ignored. I understand that the majority of Americans are obese, an obviously unhealthy condition to be in, and I further believe that the reason for this is that most Americans believe they have a “right” to be gluttons, and therefore find these types of products offensive.

“I believe everyone has a right to pray to their own God or gods, and they can do it in their schools.”

I also believe that people have a right to pray to their own god or gods, but I also believe in the separation of the church and state. As long as the prayer is silent, of course it is permitted, if not only because it can’t be prevented. However, when prayer is spoken, you run the risk of alienating or offending others, and that shouldn’t be allowed in schools. Yes, it is censorship. On the other hand, public schools have endorsed censorship by other means for as long as they’ve been around. For the same reason it is forbidden to curse at your teacher or peers, it should be forbidden to pray aloud.

“I think the Clippers should play in the WNBA.”

Since the Clippers are a men’s basketball team, I suppose that the implication here is that they “play like women”. Aside from being yet another indication of the authors dislike for women, I think this is a pointless commentary.

“My heroes are Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, and whoever canceled "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman."”

Hmm… the author’s heroes are two actors that portrayed cowboys, and a television producer. I assume, based on the previous comments, that these are the author’s choices for “heroes” because the “cowboy” is typically portrayed as a “meat-eating, masculine, violent and emotionless man” and Dr. Quinn was a woman. Once again, the author expresses an appreciation of men and distaste for women.

“I think creative violence and gratuitous nudity and sex makes movies more interesting and Iraqis deader.”

I don’t understand the implication that gratuitous nudity makes Iraqis deader, but I understand the rest of this statement. I have no problem per se with gratuitous violence and nudity in movies, but I wouldn’t agree that movies are more interesting when these are present. If I were to concede that, I’d have to say that movies without gratuitous violence and nudity are necessarily less interesting, and I don’t agree with that.

“I don't hate the rich.”

I don’t hate the rich either, but I do (as I’ve mentioned) have a problem with inequity in the distribution of wealth in this country (and all over the world) and I believe the rich are the product of that inequity.

“I don't pity the poor.”

I do pity the poor. Unlike the “typical” American that the author appears to be attempting to portray here, I realize that poverty is almost never the result of an individuals refusal to “work hard”, but is more the result of the unjust social system we live in. You can work hard at an “unskilled job” every day of your life and be poor.

“I know wrestling is fake, but I still think The Rock could kick my ass.”

This appears to be the stating of an obvious fact (wrestling is fake) and an assertion that “The Rock” is physically superior to the author, which I will accept as truth.

“I think global warming is junk science.”

I think “junk science” needs to be defined before I can respond appropriately to this, but if the author is implying that they don’t believe that global warming is a concern, I’d be interested to see the data supporting their claim.

“I've never owned or was a slave and I didn't wander forty years in the desert after getting chased out of Egypt and I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and NEITHER HAVE YOU, so SHUDDAP already.”

This statement covers a pretty broad range, albeit not very effectively. I suppose that the gist of it is that if a person was never a perpetrator or victim of slavery, then they don’t have the right to have an opinion on whether or not slavery is an acceptable way to treat fellow human beings. I disagree. I think everyone has a right to their opinion, and I believe that it’s entirely possible to have an intelligent and informed view on issues that a person hasn’t been a perpetrator or victim of.

“"Rocky and Bullwinkle" still makes me laugh.”

“Rocky and Bullwinkle” never made me laugh, and still don’t. For no reason other than the fact that I just never found the writing or artwork very interesting.

“I think you can respect and admire women while mentally undressing them.”

I agree. It is fallacious to assume that the act of “mentally undressing” women would negate any respect and/or admiration you might have for that woman.

“I believe a self-righteous liberal out to Save The Earth is more dangerous than a Play Station.”

I don’t like “self-righteous” people in general, not excluding the author of this manifesto. However, I don’t think I’ve ever heard the claim, from anyone, that a Sony Playstation is dangerous, and I don’t think that attempting to “save the Earth” could ever really be a negative action.

“I want to know which church is it exactly where the "Reverend" Jessie Jackson preaches.”

This is an interesting question. The answer can probably be found on the Internet, for anyone who’s inclined to seek it out. Personally, I don’t really care enough to look it up. On the other hand, this could be taken as a more general attack on the ethical and moral standing of Jessie Jackson, and if so I’d like to hear more reasonable arguments.

“I think explosions are cool.”

I do too. I don’t, however, think that it’s cool to drop bombs on random people just to see explosions. I also think that Hollywood (by far the largest producer of explosions) wastes far too much money on such things, and that the money could be better spent.

“I don't care where Ellen (is) putting her tongue this week.”

I don’t really care either, but I think a more effective statement would be “tabloids are full of insignificant information.”

“I think cops should have Something Better To Do than snatching Elian Gonzalez at gunpoint to ship him back to a totalitarian dictatorship.”

This statement isn’t very sensible, because cops most often do only what they’re told to do. The orders that cops follow usually come from the chief of police, and he takes his orders from the government of wherever the cops patrol. So, regardless of whether or not they have “better things to do”, they are simply doing their job. The more intelligent question would be “why has the government decided to send Elian back to Cuba?” and the answer to that question can be found in any one of a number of documents you can find on the Internet.

“I thought "Spinal Tap" was great, but Rob Reiner can still kiss my ass.”

I’ve never seen “Spinal Tap”, and I’m not too familiar with Rob Reiner’s work (at least as far as I’m aware). Personally, I don’t care whose ass Mr. Reiner is kissing this week.

“I worry about dying before I get even.”

Feelings of inadequacy are often at the root of revenge fantasies. I suspect that the author of this suffers from this, as well as a number of other things.

“I figured out Bruce Willis was dead midway through "The Sixth Sense" but enjoyed it anyway.”

I still haven’t seen it. I’ve heard the “surprise” ending from a lot of people, though, and I admit that I’m less interested in seeing it as a result. However, I’m sure that if it’s well done it’s still enjoyable.

“I think turkey bacon sucks.”

I like turkey bacon, but I don’t think that’s really the point of this statement. It seems to me that this is just another assault on the idea that people should be more healthy in general, and since turkey bacon has much less fat than pork bacon, and Americans have a “right” to be gluttons, turkey bacon must therefore be avoided.

“I want somebody to explain to me exactly why it's wrong to point out that when I watch a freeway chase, I know the losers the police eventually pull out of the car are gonna be some gang-banging homies or vatos.”

Okay, here’s the explanation: It’s not true that every time the police pull someone out of a car after a chase it’s some “gang-banging homies or vatos.” Because it’s not true that this is always the case, the author’s assumption that it is the case is probably just an indication that the author is a racist.

“I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child-it takes a parent.”

I don’t believe it takes a village or a parent to “raise a child”. I believe it takes anyone who will supply food, medicine, love and education.

“I think tattoos and piercings are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement.”

I think that tattoos and piercings used to be a political statement, as did a lot of things which have since become mainstream. However, I also believe that people can still make political statements with tattoos and piercings, in spite of the fact that they’re more common now.

“I like good friends, good liquor and a good bowel movement first thing in the morning.”

I like good friends. I love the feeling of being drunk, but I hate the taste of liquor (unless it’s mint flavored or something), and I like a good bowel movement whenever I feel the need.

“I believe you don't have to speak with a lisp to pick out a couch for your living room.”

I believe that the author is making a common reference to homosexuals as “people who speak with a lisp”, and then stating that you don’t have to be one to pick a couch for your living room. This is obviously true, but I think it’s also true that homosexual men do, in general, tend to be more concerned with style than heterosexual men, and may therefore be better at picking out furniture.

“I'll admit that the only movies that ever made me cry were "OLE Yeller" and "The Sands of Iwo Jima."”

I don’t recall having seen either of these films, but it’s not surprising that a “real-man”, as the author seems to desperately need to identify with, would find a story about a dog and a story about war to be the only emotionally moving films.

“I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.”

I realized he was a genius when I was a kid. I guess I was just more observant.

“I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting somebody's feelings.”

I’m not a fan of conformity myself, but the idea that a person would refuse to compromise in an effort to preserve someone else’s feelings seems purely self-centered and offensive to me. Granted, I wouldn’t go against something I believed in just to preserve someone else’s feelings, but if it was a matter in which I didn’t have a lot of investment, I’d have no problem reserving my opinion to avoid offending someone else.

“Sometimes I throw my soft drink can in the trash, even when the recycle bin is just a few more steps and I crush my cigarettes out on the curb.”

I’m lazy too, sometimes. I think everyone is. However, this doesn’t strike me as laziness. If the author cared at all about the environment, they would take that extra step, or just toss the can from where they stand. It seems to me that in this situation the refusal to recycle the can indicates a blatant disregard for the environment.

“Making love is fine, but sometimes I just wanna get laid.”

I don’t really believe there’s a difference between “making love” and “getting laid”. I think they both imply participation in sexual intercourse. I think the author probably means that they don’t always want to have to be loving, caring, and seductive prior to or during sex, because they sometimes just feel like experiencing the relief of an orgasm with as little effort as possible. I understand this desire, but in my experience most women prefer to have the affection before the sex. Regardless, I think it’s a reasonable desire.

“I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise.”

I’m angry and disenfranchised because I believe that the government does an absolutely horrible job at managing my money and my country. However, I don’t think they could do much better, in light of the fact that they are simply a business that depends on money like any other business, and their priority is making money, not good government.

“Yeah, I'm a Bad American.”

In my estimation of things, I’d have to agree.
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Oh My Fucking God!!! I don't know whats more pathetic, your wishy washy liberal views, your lack of humor, or that you actually took the time to write and respond to all of that. :roflmao:
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Oh My Fucking God!!! I don't know whats more pathetic, your wishy washy liberal views, your lack of humor, or that you actually took the time to write and respond to all of that. :roflmao:
Why denigrate his opinions? Why not respect them and leave it at that?
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Oh My Fucking God!!! I don't know whats more pathetic, your wishy washy liberal views, your lack of humor, or that you actually took the time to write and respond to all of that. :roflmao:
As I said, it took me one night to respond to all that garbage. I've wasted hundreds of nights getting drunk and acting stupid... :shrug:

At least I have the strength of character to defend my views. :yawn:
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vm, you could have posted that as a serial, 500 words at a time, and doubled your post count!

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but what I did was incisive stuff.
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vm, you could have posted that as a serial, 500 words at a time, and doubled your post count!
Damn! Why didn't I think of that?

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Can't say I blame ya. What can I say? I was living and working in Chicago at the time, and didn't know anyone or have anything better to do with my time. So I figured I might as well try to earn back the time I wasted reading that trash by pretending it had some intellectual substance and responding to it. :chuckle:

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Thanks. FWIW I've given a lot more thought to a lot of those issues in the two years I've been reading and posting on online discussion/debate forums, so it's probable that my position is different on a lot of stuff in there. But you're not the only one who doesn't feel like spending the time re-reading it. :chuckle:
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as it's not really pertinent to whether you would date a stripper.
I just don't like how Miss Shelby is being called to the carpet for opinions. It's her opinion, respect that. Move on.
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Good show vm!

Couldn't you have worked at least one David Hasselhoff reference in though? :yup:
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Good show vm!
Thanks. :)

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Couldn't you have worked at least one David Hasselhoff reference in though? :yup:
I tried, I really did. I just couldn't fit it in. :D
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Oh My Fucking God!!! I don't know whats more pathetic, your wishy washy liberal views, your lack of humor, or that you actually took the time to write and respond to all of that. :roflmao:

Why post it if you don't intend for people to discuss? It certainly wasn't intended as a joke; none of it is funny. Much of it is meaningless (Boy Scouts are a for boys; now there's a contraversial opinion!) and some of it is stupid (global warming doesn't exist because I was cold last winter). But as humor it is lacking.

That fact that you find vm's carefully considered opinions "wishy-washy" is pretty damning. Are you one of those people who thinks most problems have easy, straightforward answers? If so, I don't know whether to laugh at your stupidity or try to con you with a get-rich-quick scheme. How would you like to take in $50,000 a month with a home based business*?


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