Bend Over, Facebook is Back

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Uh.

Facebook: InfoWars valid "opinion and analysis."

Zuck hitting the bong a bit hard.

[The Man]

Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook won't ban Holocaust deniers because they deserve 'a voice' - NY Daily News

I'd call this motherfucker a kapo, but a lot of the kapos were blackmailed into it with threats against their families and such. This motherfucker has no fucking excuse. I think I hate him almost as much as Trump. OK, that's not possible, but I still really fucking hate him.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by The Man

Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook won't ban Holocaust deniers because they deserve 'a voice' - NY Daily News

I'd call this motherfucker a kapo, but a lot of the kapos were blackmailed into it with threats against their families and such. This motherfucker has no fucking excuse. I think I hate him almost as much as Trump. OK, that's not possible, but I still really fucking hate him.

WTF? Holocaust deniers, like most racists, don't deserve to have a voice. They have a right to freedom of speech, but Facebook is not required to give them a platform.

[The Man]

I understand that viewpoint, but I'm almost to the point of believing that they do not deserve free speech. Don't get me wrong: under the 1A, they're entitled to it, but I'm not sure they should be. World events are converting me to Karl Popper's views on the paradox of tolerance: that is, the continued existence of tolerance depends on not tolerating expressions of intolerance. Holocaust denial fits easily within those bounds.

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

I may or may not have more to say about this later - I'm posting from my phone on a work break right now.

Anyway:

Congratulations, Mr. President: Zuckerberg Secretly Called Trump After The Election

He truly is awful. At this point I'm not sure Facebook is any less evil than Uber. If there's a difference, you probably have to use a microscope to see it.

[lisarea]

Facebook has asked big U.S. banks to share customer data so it can offer services: WSJ - MarketWatch

Jesus Christ. Remember they tried to get your health records, too. They're not asking you, they're doing this stuff behind the scenes.

Just seriously.

I do understand that Facebook has got its tentacles up in people's lives, and that massive centralized social media is destroying others means of communications. Forums like this are dying, you can't barely use your phone or email, and it's just easier. But Jesus, can you think of anyone LESS qualified to replicate the complex, intemingled social structures that humans have built up over history than someone like Mark Zuckerberg? This guy went from being a spoiled rich child to an Ivy League creep directly to a massive media mogul. This guy has never had to interview for a job, he's never been harassed or discriminated against, he's never had to worry about paying his bills or getting insurance or renting an apartment. He's a dumb, coddled child with a $10 million annual security budget, and he's smashing down incredibly valuable social conventions that he doesn't understand and that have never affected him.

Is this the guy you really really want to be in charge of the very fabric of your society? Seriously?

Listen to Jarron Lanier if you don't want to listen to me.

Get a blog. Start posting here instead of Facebook. (Somebody find out where VM lives and go to his house and make him give us mod status like he said.) Make your social arrangements through email or text or something instead of Facebook. Make your friends and family go there to make arrangements and see pictures of your kids.

I can't do it. I can't not be on Facebook any harder than I already am.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Originally Posted by lisarea

(Somebody find out where VM lives and go to his house and make him give us mod status like he said.)

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by lisarea

(Somebody find out where VM lives and go to his house and make him give us mod status like he said.)

I bet Mark Suckyberg knows

[Ensign Steve]

Get a blog. Start posting here instead of Facebook. (Somebody find out where VM lives and go to his house and make him give us mod status like he said.) Make your social arrangements through email or text or something instead of Facebook. Make your friends and family go there to make arrangements and see pictures of your kids.

I started posting here more recently when I deleted Facebook and reddit from my phone. I still have plenty of presence on Facebook through second-party apps and second-party people, but not being on the consuming end has really improved my quality of life.

The reason I deleted them in the first place was all the animosity and targeted bullshit and clickbait and propaganda had me constantly on edge and I needed to cut it out. I come here, I get quality stuff actually curated by quality people, and when I’m caught up, I’m caught up. I can go listen to a podcast. I text directly with my mom, my sister, a ton of other people now that I think of it. I get all the baby pictures and vacation photos. I email with my grandma and other extended family. Am I getting nostalgic for the days of old-fashioned electronic letter writing?

Anyway, I love y’all. The internet sucks. The world sucks. Take care of your mental health.

[wei yau]

I don't know if I'm immune to all that crap on Facebook or if I'm just blissfully unaware.

I pretty much use it to see what other people are doing in their lives, sharing what's going on with mine and lament over how much I miss City of Heroes

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Get a blog. Start posting here instead of Facebook. (Somebody find out where VM lives and go to his house and make him give us mod status like he said.) Make your social arrangements through email or text or something instead of Facebook. Make your friends and family go there to make arrangements and see pictures of your kids.

And then sometimes you text somebody a cute story about how your dog likes to stuff her mouth full of food, and then yak it all back up on the couch so she can eat it at her leisure. And sometimes you include a photo of said dog in the middle of said act, and that person never even responds!

Maybe the FOSS SMS app on their jailbreaked chumby-arduino phone didn't know how to deal with the MMS. So sad.

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[beyelzu]

That’s Her Majesty Gizmo, so classy!

[lisarea]

I have no idea what you people are talking about.

I'm calling the police.

[viscousmemories]

I still have my Facebook account but 99% of the times I use it is when it reminds me to say "Happy Birthday" to someone or there is a post in my family's private group. I disabled the "platform" a while back so no remote sites can use it for authentication and whatever, and I wonder if I could disable everything except my family's private group. Unfortunately it's pretty much the only connection I have to my family except the very rare text or email.

[JoeP]

Facebook's failure in Myanmar is the work of a blundering toddler | Technology | The Guardian

That title

[chunksmediocrites]

Radiolab has an interesting episode just released re: Facebook on how they decide what speech and pictures/videos are screened, removed, etc.
Fun fact: there's about 16,000 people working for Facebook (mostly not in the US) with NDAs in place and PTSD from having to screen flagged content; system slowly being automated (AIs now learning to remove gory content, for example).

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Facebook Fueled Anti-Refugee Attacks in Germany, New Research Suggests

German internet infrastructure tends to be localized, making outages isolated but common. Sure enough, whenever internet access went down in an area with high Facebook use, attacks on refugees dropped significantly.

Antisocial media.

[lisarea]

Facebook sends man animation featuring cartoon characters dancing on his mother's grave / Boing Boing

They will 'sincerely' apologize and explain what everyone knows--that it's an automated process and they didn't, like, intentionally do that.

(Those are some grotesquely ugly graphics, too. I'd be a little offended in any context.)

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

This with the thrad title is inappropriately amusing.

Facebook Reportedly Targeted LGBTQ Users with "Gay Cure" Ads

[JoeP]

A spokesperson also explained: “We got caught.”

[JoeP]

I doubt it ... but

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Funny this thrad title.

Poor Mr Anus, the council candidate given a bum deal by Facebook | Technology | The Guardian

[Ari]

I kinda wonder how people would react to National coming out day if instead of having rainbows and stuff facebook posted a message, "A group of cis white men would like to know your sexual status for marketing and future reference." how many people would reply to it. Afterall under the guise of support facebook is slowly creating a list of gay and trans folks along with their daily activities, a list I'm sure our christian government will never abuse in anyway.

Of course this could just be me becoming more and more leery of the insidiousness of facebook. Like how it tries to force you to celebrate "friendiversaries" anniversaries of when you friended someone on facebook. Among other ways in which it tries to make you think about your relationships through a framework of specifically facebook socialization. Or the training it does for you to accept abuses by the system by refusing to take no for an answer, forcing certain features onto users until they just accept them as something facebook will do.

[JoeP]

Oh yes, that reminds me.

Facebook is a Toilet ft John Oliver (Last Week...

Prompted by this, which is the relevant 30 seconds repeated over and over, stupid youtubers.

John Oliver Calls Facebook a Toilet for 1 Hour -...

[The Man]

I think Oliver may have pointed this out elsewhere in his segment, but this comparison is actually unfair to toilets, which perform a useful function of sanitary waste disposal. Facebook performs no such useful function. I haven't watched the segments because I'm on a break at work, but I suspect they're merely excerpts of the segment at the end, so I would like to bring this disclaimer back to the forefront of everyone's consciousness for those who didn't watch his whole Facebook story (which you really should do; in fact, you should just watch all of his segments in their entirety).

[lisarea]

Facebook is ruining humans in ways we haven't even begun to quantify.

Facebook is not what social networks are. Real social networks are incredibly complex, nuanced systems that have evolved over all of human history, and they're full of rules we can't even articulate, but that people understand intuitively.

Zuckerberg is not by any real measure a real adult human. He has virtually no real life experience. He grew up a spoiled, sheltered child, was sent to an Ivy league school, where he accidentally stumbled on something that made him mega-wealthy and powerful while he was still a spoiled, sheltered child with no real life experience. Facebook was not an original concept at the time, and it wasn't technologically innovative. He didn't earn that. He just got really really lucky, and he got really really rich before he even had started trying to be a grownup. So he is stunted. He is still a spoiled little child, and he has no concept of how little he knows about anything.

Mark Zuckerberg has never applied for a job or had a boss. He's never worried about paying his bills or finding a place to live or getting health care or any of those things that normal adult humans have had to worry about. He has never had to make a personal budget. He doesn't cook his own meals or do his own laundry, and he's probably never had to. He has an annual budget of $10,000,000 just for personal security. He doesn't really even have a normal Facebook account.

So he sees normal human experiences and social norms, and he literally doesn't understand them. He doesn't know what they're for, so he, being spoiled and self-centered and very very lucky, decides they're useless because he doesn't need them, and decides to get rid of them. And people just go along with it, maybe because of social pressure, maybe because they're just not really thinking it through, maybe because, like Zuckerberg himself, they're 13 years old emotionally because, unlike Zuckerberg, they're 13 years old chronologically.

Humans don't have the capacity to stay in regular personal contact with hundreds of people at a time. We don't, in real life, keep up with the ongoing life events of every former classmate, coworker, every distant relative, with friends of friends and people we know from various interest groups. Because we don't have the intellectual or emotional capacity to live through all those life events in real time. In the real world, maybe you run into someone you knew from high school or college every now and again and they catch you up on who has died, who got married, divorced, sick, etc., but we're really only built to keep up with that sort of thing in real time with a limited number of people. We're social animals, but we're naturally smart about it. Facebook is stupid.

And our social networks in real life aren't linear. We have different friend groups that we share different interests with, we have different levels of disclosure for different people, and that's not linear either. And we have individual guidelines, too. Maybe we can talk about super-personal medical stuff with this person, but don't talk about politics, we have individual off-limits topics for specific people, and we have weird limited purpose friendships even, like someone you don't really know that well personally, but you have a shared interest in a specific topic that other people aren't interested in, but you can go on about for hours with that one person.

Facebook doesn't understand that, and it doesn't allow for that. Facebook dumbs down everything to the lowest common denominator, and it's making people stupid.

Facebook is bad for humans and it's bad for humanity.