Love

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Then you have exactly jack to say that's actually relevant when you talk about how 2 same-sex people who love each other feel when they're making love.

Yes you are correct. But then I didn't say it was.

I was only talking about my own personal experience.

[Sock Puppet]

You said "Eros does not apply" to homosexual love. You do this constantly, making sweeping pronouncements as if they apply to everyone, and then when it's pointed out how deliriously full of shit you are, you then say you were only talking about your own personal experience. Make up your addled mind whether you are speaking personally or generally. Or just fuck off to a personal blog and stop spamming this forum with your idiotic bullshit.

Edit - I just saw where you said you were hospitalized 4 times for schizophrenia. Now it makes sense. I guess you just can't tell the difference. Never mind, I won't bother with your drivel again.

[bobsavegan]

Thank You and Good-Bye.

I regret that you are a judge.

I'm assuming you will check back to see the reply.

[bobsavegan]

The Love of a friend is known as Philos.

Like all personal relationships, Philos takes time to grow and develop. The development of Philos requires patience and tolerance. As Philos develops the personal identity of I is gradually dropped and the personal identity of We is adopted.

I am currently involved in a Philos relationship with a younger man in my apartment building. I am 69 and he is 58. We discovered that we both have Schizophrenia. He comes to my apartment everyday and we have a coffee and a cigar and talk for a while. We are gradually getting to know each other.

Julie Andrews - Getting to know you - YouTube

[Sock Puppet]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Thank You and Good-Bye.

Good luck with ... whatever.

I regret that you are a judge.

And I regret that you are no longer receiving proper medical treatment for your illness. You really should go back to the doctor.

I'm assuming you will check back to see the reply.

Of course. I read everything on this forum -- or at least click and skim -- except for that boring Ingress stuff and Mark Dreher's dogshit. So at least I have Judged you more worthy of reading than him. Not a very high bar, but it's something. I will, however, no longer attempt to engage you, as your obtusity is impenetrable.

[bobsavegan]

Hi Sock Puppet,

I'm glad you replied to my post.

If you find my posts obtuse then it might be good to question them. None of this has been written beforehand. I more or less make it up as I go along after thinking about it for a while.

BTW, I get very good treatment for schizophrenia. I get a shot every two weeks and I'm followed up by a psychiatric social worker at the same time and a primary care doctor every six months.

[livius drusus]

Good to know that your dehumanization of gay people isn't a consequence of your mental illness but just another example of your bigotry and self-absorption.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Good to know that your dehumanization of gay people isn't a consequence of your mental illness but just another example of your bigotry and self-absorption.

I don't know where you got that from. I don't ever remember saying any such thing. I just don't remember saying gay people were less than human. Please quote my words.

[livius drusus]

Saying they don't love each other the same way straight people love each other is dehumanizing. People love each other. Full stop.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Saying they don't love each other the same way straight people love each other is dehumanizing. People love each other. Full stop.

This is another post that I wrote...

"In itself, homosexuality is as limiting as heterosexuality: the ideal should be to be capable of loving a woman or a man; either, a human being, without feeling fear, restraint, or obligation."
Simone de Beauvoir

I am in total agreement with this quote by Simone.

Simone is my source for much of my feelings about Love.

When I was younger I read many of her books.

__________________

[livius drusus]

Your narcissism is the source of your feelings about love, much like it's the source of you having condomless sex with a prostitute against her will.

[Awareness]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Basically there are three types of Love, Eros, Philos, and Agape.

Eros is the hot Love of one other Person.

Philos is the warm Love of friends.

Agape is the warm Love of all Humans.

For myself then , there is only one love, and that is just love for someone, for somebody.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Your narcissism is the source of your feelings about love, much like it's the source of you having condomless sex with a prostitute against her will.

When I had sex with a prostitute, it was not a relationship or an experience. It was an adventure and an exploit.

Anita O'Day. Love For Sale - YouTube

[Awareness]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

When I had sex with a prostitute, it was not a relationship or an experience. It was an adventure and an exploit.

When you had sex with this person, were you not aware of getting ill? Were you not aware of getting her ill? One thing for sure is you were NOT thinking that you were getting an adventure, but i am pretty sure that at one point you thought what am i doing here.....

You can't sell love, either you have it or not. You can't give it and you can't make love.

All you can do when you love a woman and she loves you is be joyous when you are entwined.

Or you're Porky and Betsy having a go

[bobsavegan]

The Love of a friend is called Philos.

It is important not to confuse the types of Love.

With Philos there is no sexual activity. Sexual activity is the province of Eros.

Eros is the Romantic Love of two individuals. Eros is the type of Love in which the individuals are commonly called Lovers.

Sharón Clark - Just Friends - YouTube

[Awareness]

Love has only one definition, and that is affection, admiration, brotherhood, compagnonship etc for someone.

Only loving a body, that is something else, that is animal, or even being gay.

Everybody can love someone so passionately wether it of course be a woman or a man without even touching each other, without even kissing without bodily contact.

With the opposite sex , sex is a way to touch each other's soul, it would be torcher if you only could hug.

With the same sex it can destroy your love for somebody, instead of intensifying you just are loving a body, but i said it could.

Hugging is good, you even must at one time, and be aware of your dearest friend. Hugging like Odysseus and his son...........for example

And later on Odysseus reaches Penelope's soul, only a man and a wife can do that, a perfect fit.

[bobsavegan]

The Love of a friend is called Philos.

From Wikipedia...

Friendship is a relationship of mutual affection between two or more people.[1] Friendship is a stronger form of interpersonal bond than an association. Friendship has been studied in academic fields such as sociology, social psychology, anthropology, and philosophy. Various academic theories of friendship have been proposed, including social exchange theory, equity theory, relational dialectics, and attachment styles. A World Happiness Database study found that people with close friendships are happier.[2]

Although there are many forms of friendship, some of which may vary from place to place, certain characteristics are present in many types of friendship. Such characteristics include affection, sympathy, empathy, honesty, altruism, mutual understanding and compassion, enjoyment of each other's company, trust, and the ability to be oneself, express one's feelings, and make mistakes without fear of judgment from the friend.

[Awareness]

A soul, a person is made up of how that person is, that is the one you are loving

[bobsavegan]

The Love of a friend is called Philia.

This friendship is a relationship of mutuality, mutuality of acceptance, mutuality of understanding and mutuality of compassion.

Between friends there is no judgement. Acceptance of the friend means there is mutual acceptance of who and what they are.

Mutuality is very important to Philia.

[bobsavegan]

Implicit in concept of mutuality is the concept of equality. Friendship requires that there is equality between friends.

Just as all the entire relationship requires that there is mutuality, the entire relationship also requires that there is equality. It is good if the equality is in as many ways as possible. This includes age, built, economic background, and education background.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

The Love of a friend

Love of a friend involves trust that the other person will keep his word.

I thought you were leaving, now I'm really disappointed, it seems that I can't trust you to do what you said you were going to do. I can only surmise that everything else you have posted is a lie.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Love of a friend involves trust that the other person will keep his word.

I thought you were leaving, now I'm really disappointed, it seems that I can't trust you to do what you said you were going to do. I can only surmise that everything else you have posted is a lie.

Please forgive me. Friends forgive mistakes.

[bobsavegan]

Between friends there is no judgement. Acceptance of the friend means there is mutual acceptance of who and what they are.

The feeling of mutual trust is important. It is good if there is mutual acceptance and mutual forgiveness. A person is fallible and it possible to make mistakes. Mutual forgiveness is a necessary component of a friendship.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Please forgive me. Friends forgive mistakes.

Been there, done that, and will probably do it again. My only real complaint is your incessant posting of threads, you really need to consolidate and limit the number of threads you post. What is most important to you, lets talk about that, and let all this other stuff go. The way it is now you post about anything and everything, and I don't know what matters to you, and what is just a random thought. Random thoughts are OK once in awhile, but a steady diet dulls the senses and desensitizes everyone to what might be really important.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Been there, done that, and will probably do it again. My only real complaint is your incessant posting of threads, you really need to consolidate and limit the number of threads you post. What is most important to you, lets talk about that, and let all this other stuff go. The way it is now you post about anything and everything, and I don't know what matters to you, and what is just a random thought. Random thoughts are OK once in awhile, but a steady diet dulls the senses and desensitizes everyone to what might be really important.

I will plead guilty to that. I've always suffered from premature ejaculation. I haven't been so manic, though, since I made the agreement with ceptimus and livius. Have you heard from ceptimus lately?