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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)

In a massive shakeup, Penn State football coach Joe Paterno and school president Graham Spanier were fired Wednesday night by the board of trustees amid the growing furor over how the school handled child sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.
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Good riddance. May they spend the rest of their lives rotting in a prison cell.
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Good for the Board of Trustees. They have more integrity than the Catholic Church. (Damning faint praise itt.)
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There is still the difficulty of 'Innocent till proven Guilty', and I don't know who knew what, when, and how much? But I'm sure the press and many others will crucify everyone involved.
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Good for the Board of Trustees. They have more integrity than the Catholic Church. (Damning faint praise itt.)
Except that we don't know how much or when the 'Board of Trustees' knew before the 'Shit hit the Fan'.
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There is still the difficulty of 'Innocent till proven Guilty',
This is not a criminal proceeding. Yet. If and when it becomes one, everyone prosecuted will be entitled to a presumption of innocence.
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and I don't know who knew what, when, and how much?
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But I'm sure the press and many others will crucify everyone involved.
Yes, how like unto Christ on the cross are those who protect child molesters.
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Except that we don't know how much or when the 'Board of Trustees' knew before the 'Shit hit the Fan'.
Ah yes, remember that "innocent till proven guilty" thing that you just said? Or is that only for football coaches? In any case, if you have specific allegations to bring against the Board of Trustees or individual trustees, spell them out and contact the authorities.
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Here's the grand jury report (pdf). It's sick-making, of course.

I'm curious, thedoc. If someone came to you and told you he had seen one of your underlings sodomizing a ten year old, what would you do?
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Here's the grand jury report (pdf). It's sick-making, of course.

I'm curious, thedoc. If someone came to you and told you he had seen one of your underlings sodomizing a ten year old, what would you do?

Report what I knew to the authorities, and do what I could to seperate that person from young people, Remembering that everyone has legal limits to what they can and cannot do. Or do you prefer something simple, like a lynch mob?
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Except that we don't know how much or when the 'Board of Trustees' knew before the 'Shit hit the Fan'.
Ah yes, remember that "innocent till proven guilty" thing that you just said? Or is that only for football coaches?

It should apply to everyone, even you.

BTW how's the 'Old Boys Club' going?
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Here's the grand jury report (pdf). It's sick-making, of course.

I'm curious, thedoc. If someone came to you and told you he had seen one of your underlings sodomizing a ten year old, what would you do?

Report what I knew to the authorities,
What authorities would those be? Your superiors, you mean, or law enforcement?

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Would not letting him use your facilities to be alone with children be the most you could do to separate that person from children? Would you alert the children's charity he runs to the allegations?

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Remembering that everyone has legal limits to what they can and cannot do.
Okay, I'll remember that.

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Or do you prefer something simple, like a lynch mob?
I prefer something simple like calling the police, notifying the child's guardians and the charitable organization that someone has been witnessed anally raping said child. That seems like the very basic minimum to me. Which part of that would you not do?
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Who are you speaking of here? The underling or, who the underling reported it to? Some folks may not feel empowered unless they go to their superiors about it first.
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how's the 'Old Boys Club' going?
Ask Satyr/Apaosha; I think he/she/them/me/smurf is currently managing the club roster.
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Which sentence are you confused about? I'm speaking of various people at various time, the head coach, his alleged rapist underling, the witness to the alleged rape and the allegedly raped child.
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The last sentence.
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Good for the Board of Trustees. They have more integrity than the Catholic Church. (Damning faint praise itt.)
Except that we don't know how much or when the 'Board of Trustees' knew before the 'Shit hit the Fan'.
That's possible. If we are to use the Catholic Church as any type of yardstick. Maybe Paterno is just the fall guy?
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The last sentence.
That is what I would do had I been in Joe Paterno's shoes. I'm curious to know what part of that thedoc would not have done had he been in Joe Paterno's shoes.
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Yeah, you're right. It makes Paterno complicit if he doesn't do anything about it.
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The last sentence.
That is what I would do had I been in Joe Paterno's shoes. I'm curious to know what part of that thedoc would not have done had he been in Joe Paterno's shoes.

You seem to be making a lot of unwarrented assumptions.
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No, I'm asking you questions in reply to your post. Wherein, incidentally, you implied I was advocating a lynch mob. If I've made any errors of presumption, please feel free to correct me by replying in turn.

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Here's the grand jury report (pdf). It's sick-making, of course.

I'm curious, thedoc. If someone came to you and told you he had seen one of your underlings sodomizing a ten year old, what would you do?

Report what I knew to the authorities,
What authorities would those be? Your superiors, you mean, or law enforcement?

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Would not letting him use your facilities to be alone with children be the most you could do to separate that person from children? Would you alert the children's charity he runs to the allegations?

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Remembering that everyone has legal limits to what they can and cannot do.
Okay, I'll remember that.

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Or do you prefer something simple, like a lynch mob?
I prefer something simple like calling the police, notifying the child's guardians and the charitable organization that someone has been witnessed anally raping said child. That seems like the very basic minimum to me. Which part of that would you not do?
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I have to ask, who give the a flying fuck about sports?
End of an era?
Yeah, most of us don't care.
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Or know who these people are...
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I've seen the headlines a few times over the last day or so and I've always just gone, meh. Why? Because it's always couched in terms of the tragedy of this Joe Pa guy leaving Penn State, not the fact that he's leaving because he allowed a paedophile to rape boys. Fucking reporters.
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Well, he was the one getting fired, and they basically reported what happened. Of course if it were some dumb high school football coach back in rural Tennessee somewhere, it probably would have never made the headlines.
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