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The magic of twitter, so few words it relies on the audience to finish the thought and decide how smart or stupid it is.

To keep pushing the illiterate angle. A poor mind mouth connection is illiteracy.
I don't want to get carried away. For whatever reason I wasn't aware this was a tweet. I thought it was him talking the way he do. When I'm typing something out my brain gets way ahead of my fingers and I end up skipping some connecting thoughts.

So. I might be projecting a little.

On one hand, everybody has lapses like this. Minor, irregular, forgivable. There's no real good excuse for it, it just happens.

All that, but let's not forget: Mr President is kind of a moron a lot. This kind of thing is not unusual for him. I'm not accusing him of being smart but misunderstood. With his prodigious propensity for saying stupid shit the media should pick the most egregious stupid and not the commonly idiotic to focus on.
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Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal - The Vichy New York Times


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WASHINGTON — The deal to avert tariffs that President Trump announced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations.

Friday’s joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks in Miami between Kirstjen Nielsen, then the secretary of homeland security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, the officials said.

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Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal - The Vichy New York Times


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WASHINGTON — The deal to avert tariffs that President Trump announced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations.

Friday’s joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks in Miami between Kirstjen Nielsen, then the secretary of homeland security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, the officials said.

Yep, that sounds like something that the "Vichy" NY Times would do -- publish an article deeply embarrassing to Trump, and exposing yet again his lies, as it has literally done thousands of time since his election. That is some Vichy behavior, eh?

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lol, I figured that would hack him off. :)

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Old 06-10-2019, 02:36 AM
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Indeed, I mean I often come back to my posts multiple times because I have a tendency to misspell words and see them as spelled correctly until a bit later, my brain ram is dumped and the misspelling becomes obvious.

The big difference is you get to see all your bad days where as we are seeing his better ones. I expect he’s been given reading that he struggled with to the point where he threw the book/pamphlet in frustration and either decided he knew enough he didnt need to read it or an underling read it and filtered it down to his vocabulary. Which is another difference between not finding the right word and illiteracy it often goes both ways and reading is slow with a lot of sounding out or skipping. And of course Im being extra hard on him because he absolutely had the time and resources to get it fixed but pride got in the way.

The Queen gets it, she gave him a first edition book about WWII by Churchhill during his visit for a savage old lady monarch burn.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...te-visit-2019/
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I'm going to be charitable and suggest that maybe Trump was saying that projects of going to the Moon and things like that are part of the project of getting to Mars.
And you may well be right about that! The possibility is making me all nostalgic and shit, what with "YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT" being an oft-repeated mantra of :ff:'s all-time favorite anti-vaxxer with daddy issues.

Maybe the Revolution in Thought is finally coming to pass. Perhaps the time has come to convert the baser metals of our blameful natures into the pure gold of the Golden Age. Perfectly cooked spaghetti and meatballs every Monday night, here we come!
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THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT, DAMMIT.
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The Last Leg celebrated "Trump"'s visit to the UK.

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The Queen gets it, she gave him a first edition book about WWII by Churchhill during his visit for a savage old lady monarch burn.
The Gifts Queen Elizabeth Gave President Trump & Melania Trump During Their 2019 State Visit
There is always an exchange of gifts during these state visits. This time our Queen gave the President a valuable first edition book, and he responded by giving the royals a jumbo-family-sized pack of chlorinated chicken.
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Trump has tweeted that he met the Prince of Whales [sic] during his visit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48622001

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An inflamed Trump, “you mean I didn’t meet the prince of ALL whales? Sad! I like my royalty to have dominion over at least one kind of fish!”
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Well, maybe next year.
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If Trump won, what's to say these fine specimens couldn't be our new first posse?

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Look who's tweeting doctored images of a cover from last year:


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Without Any Warrants, CBP Searched My Devices at the Airport

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In retrospect, I was naive about the kind of agency CBP has become in the Trump era. Though I’ve reported several magazine stories in Mexico, none have been about immigration. Of course, I knew these were the guys putting kids in cages, separating refugee children from their parents, and that Trump’s whole shtick is vilifying immigrants, leading to many sad and ugly scenes at the border, including the farcical deployment of U.S. troops. But I complacently assumed that wouldn’t affect me directly, least of all in Austin. Later, I did remember reading a report in February about CBP targeting journalists, activists, and lawyers for scrutiny at ports of entry south of California, but I had never had a problem before, not in a lifetime of crossing the Texas-Mexico border scores of times on foot, by car, by plane, in a canoe, even swimming. This was the first time CBP had ever pulled me aside.
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This is clever: Brendan O'Neill is worth double whatever Trump's backers are paying him. I'm posting it not as a piece of Devil's advocacy, but (and it is almost the same thing) in the hope of generating some discussion about mounting effective opposition to this kind of attack on those of us who want to defend ... er ... some semblance of human decency .

The real reason some Brits don’t like Trump | The Spectator*

From the linkTrump-bashing isn’t a political stance — it’s a snooty mocking of white-trash America. [...] Obama’s wars and authoritarianism were forgivable because he was so handsome and charming. Trump’s wars and authoritarianism, in contrast, are held up as threats to morality and decency because the kind of people who are most keen on Trump — rough and ugly Americans — are themselves seen as a threat to morality and decency.



* worth noting that among The Spectator's illustrious past editors is one Boris Johnson
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Article to read later, but

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A lot of Trump-bashing isn't about the wars and authoritarianism - and isn't about giving Obama too easy a ride on those matters - it's about his race-bashing, gay-bashing, women-grabbing and other threats to morality and decency.
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The article does make a valid point. A lot of the support for Trump came from people who hadn't voted before because they don't understand or follow politics, and therefore think all politics is bullshit. They're naturally hostile to anything they don't really understand, so the fact that he was a game show host and not a politician was really enough for them. They watched his show and bought into the image that the show crafted for him, and they voted for him because they understood that narrative.

I think about this a lot: There was an article going around during Obama v. McCain, about Sarah Palin, where they made some huge deal out of the fact that she was meeting with some journalists in her suite, and came out in a bathrobe, with her hair in a towel.

It's weird, sure, but that got way too much play, like that right there--this social norm that a lot of people may not even think is that significant--was a distillation of everything that was wrong with her as a candidate.

The whole stupid Trump circus is, of course, worse than that, with like Ted Nugent and that Empire Carpets jingle in the oval office, the fast food, stuff like that. And I admit I find it kind of horrifying and amusing, but I suspect that when his 'base' sees all the focus on things like that--and remember, they do not follow politics, so these are the criticisms they focus on--they assume that's the primary objection people have.

PLUS everyone just let them coopt 'fake news' as a blanket denial. FAKE NEWS IS A REAL THING, AND IT GOT HIM ELECTED, but you can't talk about it anymore because it's been coopted to imply that truth is subjective and there's no way to even tell if a news story is true or not, so it's OK to just believe what you want to. I am sick of everyone just going along with it when they stake claims in legitimate concepts like that.

I'm not saying I know what to do about it or anything, or that I'd even be able to refrain personally from bringing those things up. But I do see how the lifestyle type criticisms cause his supporters to dig in.
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I mean, given the appeal of Brexit and some political figures in the UK such as Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, etc. it is an interesting question why Trump is less popular than they are and so much less popular than Brexit.

It doesn't seem to me that all of the Brits who dislike him would necessarily feel the same were he a British MP or PM.

But the thing about nationalism is that you don't necessarily like ideologically similar people! (This is also the case for religious fundies - extremist Christians often have a lot in common with extremist Muslims, but they usually see each other as rivals/evil adversaries, not ideological fellow-travelers.) That and Trump has some aspects that are uniquely appealing to Americans. These make it easier for right-wing Brits to see him from the outside of the cult of personality and party/national loyalty.

That and the fact is that Trump is a narcissistic idiot who blunders about in foreign policy potentially undermining British interests, and if you're not part of the cult of personality and dumb shit like literally hugging the American flag doesn't have an effect on you, that's going to be a lot less appealing.

I don't know that any other factors are necessary to explain the difference. Putin seems to be much less appealing to non-Russians. Nobody sees the need to explain this by talking about contempt for working-class Russians as opposed to either Putin's policies and behavior, or "Russophobic" attitudes more generally.

But sure, I could see some public school (in US parlance, private school) Tories potentially viewing Trump and his supporters (especially as portrayed by the media, which does not focus on educated and/or wealthy Trump supporters, who definitely exist in non-trivial numbers!) as trashy and disliking them more for that reason than anything else.
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(This is also the case for religious fundies - extremist Christians often have a lot in common with extremist Muslims, but they usually see each other as rivals/evil adversaries, not ideological fellow-travelers.)
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I think a goodly number of the Brits who like Nigel Farage also like Trump.

Conversely, if Farage were to become PM you might well see the level of demos against him that Trump gets because he's in a position to do damage. If (when) Bojo Bojo becomes PM, and if (... when) he commits the same kind of blunders that got Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe imprisoned for longer or cost Londoners £300,000 in illegal water cannons, you might see more vocal demos against him.
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At least BoJo is a buffoon from good stock.

Although I do find it ironic that Johnson has a great-grandfather who was a Circassian-Turkish Muslim and his likely elevation to PM will be due to all this xenophobic Brexit shit.
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