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Old 03-01-2018, 12:06 AM
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Oh I know. My instinct is to dismiss them as just flailing to take the subject off guns.

But I am still wondering whether the police really did have any failure to take action they were legally allowed to take and what level of knowledge they had. Either way, we know that plenty of people can stockpile weapons without being so creepy and aggressive that people call the police on them, and there's no law against it. The very act of stockpiling weapons ought to be seen as a warning sign, but the government isn't allowed to even keep track of things like that.

As it is, because of idiotic record-keeping rules, they might have been unable to connect the dots between "dozens of calls about this guy seeming dangerous" and "this guy is buying powerful weapons", because you're not allowed to connect gun ownership to other records.

And as I suggest, it certainly seems like if he had just been a "suspicious" looking black man walking on the street, he might've gotten more attention in many parts of the country.

But the fact that I haven't seen much of anything in the way of an explanation of what laws the Florida police should've used, and emphasis purely on "they got a lot of calls", it's probably safe to assume that they couldn't have legally done much. Because otherwise the GOP and NRA would be really pushing on how "this law already allowed them to take his guns".

But exploring what the law actually says they could do is certainly an avenue for considering ways the law could be made better, aside from banning assault rifles (which I also think is a good idea). Since we're not realistically going to be going to UK-level gun control, we should still be interested in what police should be allowed to do when someone like Cruz has legal guns, even if in the future those guns don't include AR-15s because we banned them.
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Old 03-01-2018, 12:08 AM
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Indeed, Trump has made it pretty clear that he thinks rules, laws and regulations are for chumps who haven't figured out how to cheat or buy their way out Especially if someone else will take the punishment for his suggestions.
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Old 03-01-2018, 12:24 AM
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Do police need to just have units that are supposed to follow creepy white people around all day, waiting for them to start killing? (I say white, because we know the same rules don't apply to black people, with or without guns.)

But it seems the NRA and GOP would like the situation to be like...

A monkey has somehow acquired a bomb, which could be set off at any point if it pressed the wrong button. They have received many calls about this monkey going around town with a bomb, people are concerned. But we cannot take the bomb from the monkey. So instead the police are supposed to do what... follow the monkey around all day to stop it in case it tries to press the button? Now imagine, instead of one monkey...

Not the best analogy, but you get the point. If you're not allowed to simply ban bombs, or take bombs away from monkeys, this is the result. You may be aware that there's a monkey walking around with a bomb, but know that all you can do is hope it doesn't explode. It doesn't matter how many people tell you about it.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:36 PM
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Like American healthcare, there is an American gun control system, it just kind of sucks.

I have no idea how, but it's inefficient enough that despite the waiting period, wanted criminals have occasionally been sold weapons legally. The right information can't always be retrieved in time, so someone wanted in three states may look "clean" until its too late.
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Old 03-09-2018, 06:24 PM
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Lately, the NRA has aired some advertisements that openly threaten people who favor gun control.

At least partially in response, Fred Guttenberg -- whose daughter was murdered at Parkland -- has stated, "If this [video] was put out by a terrorist organization, we would be raising the terror threat level in this country.”



My question: "What does he mean by 'if'?"

I think an excellent case could be made that the NRA is a terrorist organization. For years now, they've been deliberately sowing fear, hoping to scare people into buying more guns for "protection." Now they're openly threatening people who disagree with their agenda. How is the NRA not a terrorist organization?
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:36 AM
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It's too bad that even the Parkland kids feel obligated to blow kisses at the 2nd amendment while asking for some consideration for their lives. Fuck the 2nd amendment and I completely agree that the NRA is a terrorist organization. I totally support the government coming for your guns and I would enlist tomorrow to help take them from your cold dead hands if need be.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:51 AM
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It's too bad that even the Parkland kids feel obligated to blow kisses at the 2nd amendment while asking for some consideration for their lives. Fuck the 2nd amendment and I completely agree that the NRA is a terrorist organization. I totally support the government coming for your guns and I would enlist tomorrow to help take them from your cold dead hands if need be.
TBH, the actual 2nd Amendment (as ratified by Congress, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"; as ratified by the states, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.") is pretty benign. It says that people can have guns for "a well regulated militia" - i.e., the military and the National Guard. That's it. So, say, Switzerland's approach of "put all access to ammunition on lockdown outside shooting ranges and the military" would be perfectly acceptable under it.

The Heller interpretation, on the other hand, should have been buried with Scalia, with a stake drawn through its heart (and Scalia's). It's pretending that the entire first half of the amendment doesn't exist. Despite this, it's generally believed that very nearly every proposal the majority of people - Parkland students and otherwise - have been making would probably pass muster under Heller. Bans on the AR-15 and similar guns, bump stocks, clips/magazines with more than a certain number of rounds, etc.; mandatory background checks; mandatory psychological exams; closing gun show loopholes; and so on.

But yeah, despite all that, I'm growing increasingly in favour of just completely fucking dismantling it. Trump's "take their guns first and then go through due process" is one of the few things he's ever said that I agree with (not that I expect him to stick with it, since he generally parrots the stance of the last person he spoke to, and I don't expect the NRA to let him go that far off script again). The problem is that I don't see a new amendment passing. Getting SC justices who'll reverse Heller and restore the first half of the amendment seems like a much easier lift. (Of course, that also doesn't guarantee the reversal's permanence as much as repeal would - if we could get a repeal of the amendment, I think I'd be all for it. I just don't think it's possible. TBH I don't think there's likely to be another amendment in my lifetime.)

Beyond that, I agree that the NRA is a terrorist organisation, and I think it's also fair to say that at this point it's an arm of a hostile foreign power - there's copious evidence that the Russians have been bankrolling it. So let's call them what they are: traitors. Even if this isn't literally true by the strictest legal definition, it forces them to defend themselves on technicalities. It's the old LBJ "Make the son of a bitch deny it" strategy.

Also, hi velvetdoughnuts! Where have you been? Good to see you again, though.
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How Parkland students feel about their mandatory clear backpacks

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The "$1.05" price tag is a reference to how much the NRA pays/student to Florida government officials in order to prevent gun-control laws from being enacted.
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It should say minus $1.05 then, I guess.
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I follow several of the Parkland kids on Twitter and I attended the March For Our Lives in Austin, and this whole movement gives me a glimmer of hope for our country's future.
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I just hope they stay on message and keep focused without getting bogged down in quasi-celebrity nonsense.
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I'm sure by now everyone knows about the van killings in Toronto.

Some interesting things about this attack:

It seems like the killer wanted to die by police, but an interesting thing happened and the Canadian officer didn't help him out. Check out the video, it's pretty crazy. The killer 'draws' on the cop multiple times, points what looks like a gun at the cop, even says he has a gun and 'draws' again. I'm sure he would have been killed by nearly any cop in America and probably nearly every other cop in Canada... it's weird.

Toronto van attack: The cop who didn’t shoot - Macleans.ca

And it seems he was connected to some fucking asshats.

The virulently misogynistic online community linked to the Toronto van attack suspect – ThinkProgress
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It's really a fascinating thing when you go through the killings by police. There's an untalked about few hundred people a year who commit suicide by cop, in part because they know American cops will give it to them, and every year two or three cops are killed as they play commando breaching the house of someone who almost literally called and said "I got lots of weapons and I'm going to kill people *shoots at neighbor* come and fight." and the cops do.

While there's certainly a toxic masculinity problem going on in general, I wouldn't be surprised if it's extra strong in these cases where they are taking the 'honorable' way out through battle or by trying to literally force someone else to kill them. Toronto police were extremely smart in not giving him what he wanted.
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Texas.

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Texas atty gen is taking quick action, thinking and praying.
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Then, there is this guy, also acting quickly:

Man shows up to site of Santa Fe High School shooting with American flag, Trump hat and gun
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For those in the information warfare aspect, thrad:

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So, you'll arm yourself to disarm others (mostly folks who just wanna be left alone and who wanna leave you alone, law abiders like [presumably] yourself).
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Seems like a good enough place to remind everyone of the information war America is losing:

Fake Facebook accounts and online lies multiply in hours after Santa Fe school shooting - The Washington Post
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It takes a real man to lie some cops into murdering his enemies.

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Oh, for the love of all that's good and decent ... do not read the comments!


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