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Old 03-28-2017, 03:52 AM
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Um, OK. Exhibit A.




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Well I just can't say.
Will I live tomorrow?
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NYT, failed paper printing fake news. So sad!
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Old 03-29-2017, 02:51 AM
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But Hendrix was right on the money.
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Don Rickles, the personification of insult comedy, dies at 90 - Vox

Watch: Don Rickles's offensive, hilarious insult comedy, in 3 priceless clips - Vox

I usually don't find insult comedy funny, but he was hilarious.
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Satirist John Clarke, of Clarke and Dawe fame, dies aged 68 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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US comedian Charlie Murphy dies of leukaemia aged 57 - BBC News

I only really knew him from The Chappelle Show but he was hilarious on that.
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Sylvia Moy, Motown’s first female producer and the co-author of hits such as Marvin Gaye’s “It Takes Two” and Stevie Wonder’s “Uptight (Everything’s Alright)”, “I Was Made to Love Her”, and “My Cherie Amour”, has died at age 78. She broke a number of barriers at Motown, to say the least.
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Aaron Hernandez, NFL football player and convicted murderer, died yesterday. They are calling it suicide.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:18 AM
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Somehow not feeling it for this one.
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However you feel about it, he was famous and now he's dead. :shrug:
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I don’t really feel bad for him specifically, but his suicide does sort of raise an issue about prison conditions in this country, because they’re so horrible that a lot of people would rather commit suicide than face life in prison. Life imprisonment strikes me as intrinsically troubling, because, particularly with the conditions in our prison system, it’s essentially a sentence to death by (emotional) torture.

To be clear, I don’t believe some people can be rehabilitated, and the only two choices for those people are either to kill them (which is far too great a power to trust to the state) or to keep them in prison (or a mental institution, I guess) for life. But life sentences without parole are themselves incredibly cruel, and outside of extreme cases like Anders Breivik and Dylann Roof, I don’t think we can know ahead of time who is incapable of being rehabilitated. It’s also not proper to make legislation based on edge cases, because most people aren’t such clear psychopaths, and trusting the judicial system to identify those psychopaths reliably is giving it far too much power, particularly given its clear biases racially and otherwise.

Still, the point of “when does someone cease being a danger to the public, and how can we identify it?” is a good question that deserves serious investigation. But societies with prison systems that focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment have surprisingly low recidivism rates (much lower than American citizens would expect them to), so it appears that they are fairly good at identifying it.

Norway has a maximum initial sentence of twenty-one years, IIRC. They also have a review process whereby, if a prisoner is deemed a continued danger to the public, they will not be released for as long as that continues to be the case (I believe they investigate this in two-year intervals). As I said, their recidivism rate is quite low. I doubt that Breivik will ever be allowed to leave prison, because he will probably never be rehabilitated. At the same time, I’m not comfortable with a justice system that unilaterally declares that a given person cannot be rehabilitated, because such a system will inevitably implement such judgements in biased manners (racially or otherwise). Furthermore, a surprising number of people do appear to be capable of rehabilitation. Varg Vikernes is still a far-right-wing shithead, for example, but there’s been no sign that he’s repeated the crimes that got him imprisoned since being released (arson and murder), nor that he is particularly likely to do so.

Another problem is that people can be falsely convicted for life imprisonment just as they can for the death penalty, and death penalty prisoners often get far more attention from activists trying to free those wrongly imprisoned than those imprisoned for life do, because of the inevitability of a death penalty. But if you are wrongly imprisoned for life and never get out, you’ve been murdered by the state just as much as you have been if you were given the death penalty.

So, yeah, don’t really give a shit that Hernandez killed himself in and of itself. There appears to be no reasonable doubt of his guilt and he seemed substantially less likely to be rehabilitated than a number of other people who receive life imprisonment sentences do. But the concept of life imprisonment is troubling overall, and it’s a topic that deserves far more consideration.
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My roommate has a theory that Hernandez actually killed the people for which he was acquitted earlier this week and his conscience finally got to him, so he offed himself. I don't buy that, because I don't think Hernandez had a conscience, though it is possible that his lawyers were right and the prosecution's witness Alex Bradley was the real killer. But either way, Hernandez probably saw little point in continuing an existence so barren relative to the life he had before he was convicted of murder. I suspect the prison system is also far less sensitive to intervening in cases of depression than "the outside world" is -- unlikely anyone noticed or took seriously that Hernandez may have been exhibiting signs of suicidal ideation before he killed himself.

Interesting observations about our penal system, The Man. If the idea is to punish people, and all there is to subjective reality is this life, then IMHO life in prison is far more a punishment than execution, where the "suffering" inherent in life and especially in a life in prison quickly comes to a merciful end (well, maybe, if lethal injection actually worked as promised). I can't think of any greater punishment than to restrict all the vistas of the rest of one's experience to a 6x8 cell. If punishment is the goal, then keeping murderers alive as long as possible while completely restricting their liberties is greatest possible punishment, since executing them ends any more pain or...anything. If that is the case, then the Massachusetts prison system failed in it's mission to "punish" Hernandez for the murder of Odin Lloyd by not keeping him under closer observation and allowing his suicide to occur. Also, since his case was on automatically on appeal and he can no longer participate in that process, he is actually now no longer a convicted murderer (according to the legal principle of abatement ab initio).

Another observation I will add are the conflicting Christian ideals embedded in the American criminal justice system. Americans can't decide whether the point is the "Old Testamentism" of prison conditions and/or execution being both punishment and deterrence (which as far as the latter is concerned they never are, since almost no one who commits a crime operates under the belief they will be caught, even when committing capital crimes) versus whether prisons should rehabilitate and reform criminals in accordance with the New Testament idea of redemption...While many Christians believe that they themselves can be "redeemed," my observation has been that most Americans are of the "eye for an eye" sort of Old Testament Christians when considering the potential rehabilitation of criminals, convicted or otherwise.

Both types also rely on the assumption on a "hereafter," which is mostly all they have in common, but both miss the real point i.e., that there is no evidence whatsoever of subjective reality once consciousness ceases. While Christians of either sort are in agreement Hernandez is now continuing his punishment for all eternity in Hell (with the exception of Unitarian Universalists), the reality is that his punishment ended as soon as he lost consciousness.
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Happy Days Star Erin Moran Dies At 56 | The Huffington Post
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This was last month, but I was not informed promptly.

Bernie Wrightson, co-creator of Swamp Thing, died 18 March.

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I was thinking "wow, 56 seems awfully young for a Happy Days Star."

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Moran was just 14 when she signed on to play Ron Howard’s sister in the family comedy, which aired from 1974 to 1984.
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Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance author Robert M. Pirsig dead at 88

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