Some acknowledgements

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by wade-w

I see that I was right; I have not expressed myself well. vm, My reference to whining was based on not wanting to make that reputation as a whiner even worse than it already is.

I understood that. My point (probably not well made) was that it seems reasonable to assume that you don't have the reputation of being a whiner you think you have, or if you do it may just be one or two people who think it and not be as widespread as you think. However every time you mention it (and you've mentioned it several times in the last month or so) you encourage people to make that erroneous association between you and "whiner". In Dawkin's terminology: You perpetuate the meme. I suggest you just let it go.

My reputation for being a whiner came from my frequent criticisms of the administration and moderation at IIDB. Many times I considered not participating in discussions about the policies and procedures there precisely because I didn't want to perpetuate that reputation. In fact there are at least two admins who won't even post in threads I post in for that reason, as one of them explained to me.

However I didn't let the fact that some vocal critics - even prominent ones - called me a whiner and made other disparaging insinuations keep me from speaking up. I just accepted the fact that sometimes what I consider an important moral stance someone else considers whining. So you wonder what you can do to avoid getting a reputation as a whiner? The only guaranteed strategy I know of is to keep your mouth shut, and in particular about issues of any importance to you. That may work for some, but for me the respect and consideration I get from those who understand and/or agree with my positions far outweighs the fact that some people think I'm a whiner.

[Goliath]

Wade, I know how you feel...IIRC, you've expressed that you've felt like an outsider here (and at the IIDB) at times. I feel that way off and on myself (guess which way I'm feeling now? ).

Anyways, I don't have anything extremely helpful or constructive to say...just wanted to express a bit of empathy.

[Ex-zombie]

Wade,

I think there is a big difference between whining and expressing your feelings/thoughts. I simply have not picked up on any whining from you. Believe me I would spot it. I have two kids.

I am not very good at comforting people but I am an excellent listener. I have picked up on your sadness in some of your posts. I didn't know how to respond. I didn't want to bring it up and make you uncomfortable.

[LadyShea]

for you wade

[Roland98]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

I bet there are a lot more people that think I'm a whiner than you, wade. Hell, that mean bitch administrator at IIDB came right out and called me one in an innocent beer thread!

Oh wait, she's right there. Hi Roland! No, no, I wasn't talking about you at all.

Tee hee. I was going to mention that no one in the message board universe could be as much of a whiner as vm, but I thought better of it. But hey, since you brought it up...





(You know that I love ya, vm... )

[wildernesse]

Sending good thoughts your way, wade-ikins.

[wade-w]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Wade, I know how you feel...IIRC, you've expressed that you've felt like an outsider here (and at the IIDB) at times. I feel that way off and on myself (guess which way I'm feeling now? ).

Anyways, I don't have anything extremely helpful or constructive to say...just wanted to express a bit of empathy.

I appreciate it Goliath. I don't necessarily feel that I am an outsider here; you may be thinking of HH. As for II, well, that board is so huge I think almost everyone except a chosen few is an outsider there, and even some of the individual fora have an insider/outsider dynamic going on.

I recently posted over there about why I in particular do not expect to be one of those few. On the other hand, at about the same time I was involved in a rather pleasant discussion of Mathematical Philosophy. We got into a nice discussion of formalism vs constructivism, along with some asides about the Axiom of Choice and infinite sets. I learned a lot on that thread, including some implications of the AC I hadn't considered before, and even a bit about intuitionist logic. Anyway, since the majority of the threads I participate in at II are on topics like that it's no wonder that not many over there know me well. I'm far more likely to get a reply to a post in the Philosophy or Science & Skepticism forums than I am in any of the other fora, since I'm much better known there than I am on the rest of the board.

[wade-w]

vm, on the topoc of whiners and whining, I see I'm still not expressing myself well, and I can see how you'd misunderstand me here. Freemonkey has said it better than I could:

Originally Posted by freemonkey

much less feel as though I'm not being whiny, over-sensitive and/or silly.

Anyway, regardless of whether this clarifies it or not, I don't really want to talk about whining anymore.

[Dingfod]

Let's talk about wining instead.

[Scotty]

Hey.

#!/bin/ksh

set -x

/usr/local/bin/gawk '{print $1}' $2 | sed 's/ //g' | sed 's/\./x/g' > ip_check1.$$

sort -n -tx -k1.1 -k2.1 -k3.1 -k4.1 ip_check1.$$ > ip_check2.$$
echo "0x0x0x0" >> ip_check2.$$

rm ip_check1.$$

nawk -f check_ip_count.awk countipin=$1 ip_check2.$$ | sort -n -r | sed 's/x/\./g'

rm ip_check2.$$

You see, I think most people just don't understand sys-admins

I'm with you wade!

-Scott

[wade-w]

For the rest of you that have taken the time to reply, I thank you for your thoughts. I will have to think long and hard about whether I want to talk about it or not. In the meantime, please bare (or is that supposed to be bear? Which is it, and why?) with me if my mask slips again.

[Scotty]

Cross post, don't miss my commentary!



-Scott

[Nil Desperandum]

Wade...

I understand your position. I know it may be difficult for you to do this, and I am extremely positive that all of us here will respond to you with arms wide open.

I myself am about to post an issue I have, and there is nothing for me to fear.

Regardless of your choice, do that which makes you feel stronger inside.

Chris

[viscousmemories]

I think I understand better what you're saying now, wade. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[wade-w]

Thanks Scotty. That's clever.