Postmodern surrogate values

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Would you kindly post a clear, concise explanation of what you think the word "postmodernism" means? Just for the sake of clarity.

Because the way you use it bears no apparent resemblance to how I've seen it used in any philosophical text I've consulted, nor how it's defined in any dictionary I've consulted.

Thanks!

As mick has repeatedly explained, he can't tell us what he thinks postmodernism is because erimir was mean to him once.

[seebs]

Also, because he doesn't know.

Compare mickthinks here with the soc.religion.quaker spammer, who floods the group with stuff... But refuses to answer simple direct questions about the issues he keeps saying he wants people to discuss.

Mick can't actually advance positions, because it turns out he's full of shit and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's figured out that people correct him when he spews nonsense, so he wants to avoid it. But he isn't about to waste time studying something before expressing views, because that would be boring and would imply that he wasn't already good enough.

Solution: Call things postmodern and declare that people are being "dishonest" when they don't have any clue what you've made up your mind to believe the word means.

[chunksmediocrites]

wrong thread, twice in one day

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Would you kindly post a clear, concise explanation of what you think the word "postmodernism" means? Just for the sake of clarity.

Thanks Michael. That's a reasonable request (though I won't attempt to define the word which is general held to be undefinable). Here's a brief explanation of why I associate "postmodern" with a confusion about values and what I take to be a dishonest exploitation of that confusion.

You'll notice that already the contributions in that thread fall into two clear groups; those that express a commitment to open and honest communication, and those that seem to value something else more highly. It isn't so much these distorted values expressed in the behaviour of the second group that I would call "postmodern". Rather what is postmodern is the (apparent) acceptability to the rest of the community of those values and that behaviour.

[mickthinks]

Here's an interesting example of the 'social approval trumps truth' meme ...

Originally Posted by lisarea

It is not up to you to decide what is and is not 'rational' and to dictate what personal preferences will be respected and what will not.

Any disagreement can be framed as an arrogant attempt to deny the other side their rights to believe whatever they want without question, and arrogance is a terrible fault because it appears to set you up above the crowd and that makes you unpopular.

But arrogance in debate is just another word for confidence, and confidence can sometimes be justified. I think a community dedicated to freedom of thought will always grant confidence a chance to justify itself, instead of framing it as 'arrogance' as if that were tantamount to being wrong.

Mick

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

I think a community dedicated to freedom of thought will always grant confidence a chance to justify itself, instead of framing it as 'arrogance' as if that were tantamount to being wrong.

Do you really think that a community dedicated to freedom of thought will always behave in any one particular manner? I reckon that your use of the word "always" was dishonest hyperbolic.

[mickthinks]

Individual members may sometimes forget, or behave as if they have forgotten, the values that bind the community together, but if the rest of the community really value freedom of thought, then I think it'll find a way to remind them. That's how communities preserve their values.

[Doctor X]

--J.D.

[ChuckF]

I think a community dedicated to freedom of thought will always grant confidence a chance to justify itself, instead of framing it as 'arrogance' as if that were tantamount to being wrong.

LOL mickthinks I guess in addition to being a Jew-hater you're also a bad role model for a community dedicated to freedom of thought!

Originally Posted by mickthinks

This is just arrogant toss-pottery.

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it has made you look like a conceited, arrogant tosser.

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Even if this were not a rather arrogant bullshit comment, it would be an irrelevant one.

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Do you give lessons in arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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I think it shows a kind of arrogance

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it is the height of arrogance

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it is sheer arrogance.

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it is sheer arrogance.

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That's a kind of arrogance, I think.

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Arrogant much?

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That'll look like pure arrogance

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I think it's quite arrogant to think a sentiment like that is worth sharing.

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you're galactically arrogant.

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Where do you get your arrogance from?

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It's actually a kind of arrogance

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I certainly couldn't script that level of arrogance.

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It's hard to imagine a more arrogant or more misinformed remark than that

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this is arrogant, pompously-worded bollocks.

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that's arrogant and his choice was a dumb one.

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that was an arrogant and dumb move.

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I'm interested in criticising you for your rather arrogant assumption that you have a valuable opinion to offer

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Not just arrogant. I'd call that dishonest and stupid.

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You could learn to be a lot less arrogant

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And you're so arrogant

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it is your condemnation that was arrogant and insulting.

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Both are socially arrogant and threads like this feed that arrogance.

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arrogant and none too smart.

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your increasingly arrogant pronouncements

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more false and arrogant diagnoses of mental pathology

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I reckon that just shows a lack of imagination—combined with an arrogant belief that you have no such lack.

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rather arrogant mistake.

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Hmmm. It would have appeared less arrogant if you had said that you think there is no way to interpret this one that doesn't make it insulting and arrogant.

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your arrogant attempts

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LOL arrogant is the new funneh

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LOL, I made a stupid slip. That doesn't make me a foreigner, or you any less arrogant, Chuckin.

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As this is evidence of just such an arrogant self-righteous attitude in you

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You are wrong, I think, but being arrogant, I guess you don't care - you'll say it anyway.

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your belief in your right to pursue it was arrogant

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LOL! Plant Woman - Bigot Out and Proud! Can't say I'll miss the arrogant psychobabble

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it's rather arrogant

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Is this apparent arrogance supposed to be funneh

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the arrogance with which it is handed down as white-coated wisdom is a little disturbing

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Overween your arrogance much?

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It's the arrogance of a petty academic bore that you're overburdened by.

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It's called arrogance and Meg's built himself out of it.

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You praying for deliverance from your ignorance or your arrogance

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you have a genius for letting your ignorance feed your arrogance

This anthology of mickthinks's apparent hypocrisy and arrogance is not even comprehensive.

We now return to this rather amusingly hypocritical attempt at whiteknighting. Hey, at least it's better than the usual anti-Semitism.

[chunksmediocrites]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

Hey look, it's trying irony. Hey look, it's using the first third person singular neuter. Arrogant much?
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... it's just an idea
Last edited by mickthinks; 10-11-08 at 10:17 AM. Reason: gaff - thanks for the amazingly arrogant correction, Chuck

Page 2 of this very thread. I know you linked it ChuckF, but it has the double arrogance score in the edit.

ETA:

Originally Posted by mickthinks

That's the third person. Learn English.
LOL, I made a stupid slip. That doesn't make me a foreigner, or you any less arrogant, Chuckin.

Hell, you may as well make out I'm a Muslim. That's sure to make you really popular.

This one's amazing, and also from this thread- note mickthinks admits error here. OMG MINUS FACE

[ChuckF]

Hello mickthinks!

Another thread reminded me that you've never really explained what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors who agree with me are wrong that she used uvular trills. Can you explain what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors that agree with me are wrong that used uvular trills?

Speaking of those professors, did you ever run your dismissal of their findings past them and post up a response?

[mickthinks]

@adams.thx

[Adam]

@micks.@adams.thx

[mickthinks]

@adam

[ChuckF]

mickthinks, can you not say what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors who agree with me are wrong that she used uvular trills?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

@adam

Mick, my very favorite thing about you is that, although you are seemingly incapable of comprehending the vast majority of cultural phenomena that fall into the general category of humor, you apparently compensate with the hilarity you derive from observing others' use of the [Thanks] function on this Free Thought Talk Forum. I'm glad that you, at least, have that.

[ChuckF]

Hello again mickthinks!

Now that you've had a few weeks to think about it, can you explain what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors that agree with me are wrong that she used uvular trills?

[mickthinks]

Here's another postmodern morality meme.

Originally Posted by chunksmediocrites

WAY over the top, white knight.

When did challenging a complaint made against someone else become a wrong thing to do?

[ChuckF]

LOL mickthinks, can you not say what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors who agree with me are wrong that she used uvular trills?

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

... alveolar trills [and] me ...

Funnier every time! It's a winning streak, Chuckie. Don't give up!

[ChuckF]

LOL mickthinks, you make it sound like it's wrong to expect you to answer the question honestly! I reckon I wouldn't have to ask more than once if you weren't so unwilling or unable to say what makes you think you are right that Edith Piaf used alveolar trills in that song Je ne regrette rien, and that I and all of the professors who agree with me are wrong that she used uvular trills. I think if you had any real interest in honesty you would answer the question, and it's pretty telling that you refuse to do so, dude! So I've had to ask you a couple of times. Dry your tears and deal with it or gtfo.

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

I think if you had any real interest in honesty you would answer the question ...

It isn't dishonest not to play with a lulzjunkie

[erimir]

What's the game?

All you have to do is say that you were wrong, and he would stop. It would stop being so amusing.

The thing that makes it so funny for him to repeat is that you were wrong, you admitted that you had no expertise in the area, you realized that Chuck was a good speaker of French (who has lived in France, even), it was pointed out with expert sources demonstrating that native French speakers and in fact scholars of the French language all agreed that it was, in fact, an iconic use of the uvular trill... and you still won't just admit that it was a uvular trill and you were wrong.

If I recall correctly, the most you said was that you may have been wrong and you don't trust your ears as much as you did before.

The fact that you refuse to admit a mistake in the face of overwhelming evidence is what makes it so amusing.

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by erimir

All you have to do is say that you were wrong ...

LOL I'm not sure I was wrong.

... and he would stop. It would stop being so amusing.
Would it? He hasn't stopped calling me an anti-semite. Maybe you should tell him how unamusing that has become?

... you admitted that you had no expertise in the area, you realized that Chuck was a good speaker of French (who has lived in France, even)
You think that his undoubted expertise in spoken and written French necessarily makes Chuck an expert on French singing. That's a mistake.

... it was pointed out with expert sources demonstrating that native French speakers and in fact scholars of the French language all agreed that it was, in fact, an iconic use of the uvular trill...
It was pointed out that Piaf was an iconic user of the uvular trill, and I've never said she wasn't.

If I recall correctly, the most you said was that you may have been wrong and you don't trust your ears as much as you did before.
Thanks. Compare that with Lucy's setup ...

Originally Posted by ChuckF

LOL mickthinks, can you not say what makes you think you are right ...

and get back to me.

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

He hasn't stopped calling me an anti-semite.

Well, you haven't stopped hating Jews, have you?

Compare that with Lucy's setup

LOL dry your tears and deal with it, dude.