Ghost in the Shell Mafia - Page 52

Elouise · #**1276** 05-21-2011, 06:09 PM

Actually, if you are scum, you're taking a very naive approach to this.

Crumb · #**1277** 05-21-2011, 06:10 PM

I think this may be an :ff:

mafia culture difference, or something. We are very used to allowing a prospective lynchee to make a special claim before dropping the hammer. So that they can say "Don't lynch me, I am the cop" and we can back off and lynch someone else for now. If they are making it up then our real cop now knows they are scum with no need to investigate (they wouldn't out themselves this early) and they could view someone else. If they are the real cop hopefully we have a doc to get one view out of them night one. Not good but better than lynching the cop day 1.

divagreen · #**1278** 05-21-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightson

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Originally Posted by Nightson

In what way does that line of logic not work for absolutely every single person in the game.

^ apparently not a rhetorical question

Seriously, I know you guys have played mafia before, which is why I am just baffled by the words coming out of your mouths.

I am baffled that you are baffled. Surely you have played scum at least once in your Mafia career before.

I will elaborate if it will help.

You have several people on here who have played on other sites before and it is a regular practice for scum to fake role claim. Gonzo, IMO, did the best in the Timebomb game. He faked some obscure bomb role that no one questioned and everyone oooed and ahhhhed at how clever the GMs were for coming up with it. Well they didn't, Gonzo did. In the games that I have played where Raven has GMed, she provides safe role claims for scum. So from the perspective of town, role claiming is almost useless since town will not be able to distinguish fake role claims from real role ones. Scum, however, can. And they will be more likely to discern who the specials are, especially if people are pressured to out themselves as specials.

Nightson · #**1279** 05-21-2011, 06:27 PM

You would seriously lynch somebody without them full claiming Elouise?

Jerome · #**1280** 05-21-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightson

You would seriously lynch somebody without them full claiming Elouise?

Are you now advocating Lynching a Claimed Special?

Nightson · #**1281** 05-21-2011, 06:32 PM

@Diva (no quotes because I'm on my iPhone)

So you think the optimal strategy is to lynch people without them claiming?

Crumb · #**1282** 05-21-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

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Originally Posted by Nightson

You would seriously lynch somebody without them full claiming Elouise?

Are you now advocating Lynching a Claimed Special?

Do you really think that is what Nightson is saying? :eek:

Jerome · #**1283** 05-21-2011, 06:36 PM

Nightson, it looks to me like you are trying to give Scum tells and you are not understanding why few are biting, this is why I think you are some sort of Jester.

You set a lie at the beginning, and now you are Special hunting here on Day 1.

Please explain the advantage knowing who the Town Specials are for Town on Day 1.

Nightson · #**1284** 05-21-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

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Originally Posted by Nightson

You would seriously lynch somebody without them full claiming Elouise?

Are you now advocating Lynching a Claimed Special?

Hi Jerome, now that you're here, claim. Failing that list the explicit conditions under which you'll claim.

Jerome · #**1285** 05-21-2011, 06:41 PM

Good job Scum getting a Special to out Day 1.

I am the Role Blocker.

divagreen · #**1286** 05-21-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

I think this may be an mafia culture difference, or something. We are very used to allowing a prospective lynchee to make a special claim before dropping the hammer. So that they can say "Don't lynch me, I am the cop" and we can back off and lynch someone else for now. If they are making it up then our real cop now knows they are scum with no need to investigate (they wouldn't out themselves this early) and they could view someone else. If they are the real cop hopefully we have a doc to get one view out of them night one. Not good but better than lynching the cop day 1.

I think that you are right Crumb and that is an astute observation. It is not about lynching someone without a role claim; Jerome's claim is that he is town. Scum's whole purpose is to lie and deceive. Even if Jerome makes a claim, I know where he has played and I know whom he has played with. It would be naive to just take his word that he is who he says he is. I do understand your point, though...nobody wants to be responsible for lynching a special. But I know for a fact that one of the ways for scum to special hunt is to apply pressure to players to get them to out themselves...that is all that we are saying.

I find it interesting that Nightson is trying to spin this into "you would lynch them without full claiming" stance.

And Bey, it is not a complaint, it is a FOS on Nightson and his intentions.

Nightson · #**1287** 05-21-2011, 06:46 PM

Whats your flavor Jerome?

Elouise · #**1288** 05-21-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

I think this may be an :ff:

mafia culture difference, or something. We are very used to allowing a prospective lynchee to make a special claim before dropping the hammer. So that they can say "Don't lynch me, I am the cop" and we can back off and lynch someone else for now. If they are making it up then our real cop now knows they are scum with no need to investigate (they wouldn't out themselves this early) and they could view someone else. If they are the real cop hopefully we have a doc to get one view out of them night one. Not good but better than lynching the cop day 1.

What if the one being pressured is the doc. Who's going to protect them after a claim,in that case?

And what if they're lying and the player with the actual role doesn't want to out so early in the game ... or that player does out to counter claim, then who to believe, who to lynch?

Or what if they're lying and there's no such role in the game at all?

Naive.

Megatron · #**1289** 05-21-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Good job Scum getting a Special to out Day 1.

I am the Role Blocker.

What? What character?

...fuck, nevermind, they probably gave the scum safe claims, so I don't know if the flavor would even work here.

I don't know if I believe you, and I still have nightmares of bey's keystone blocker capers in Nightson's game, so even I'd be tempted to hang you now if I didn't think diva was the better lynch.

Elouise · #**1290** 05-21-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightson

You would seriously lynch somebody without them full claiming Elouise?

I vote to lynch based on scumminess. Enough players agree and there's a lynch.

I don't vote to pressure players to out special roles.

If a player I lynch vote happens to claim a special role and I find their claim believable, I will unvote, but that's not the same thing as deliberately voting with the intention of inducing a person to out as a special.

Day one special hunting is anti town .. an absurd tactic if from town players.

Elouise · #**1291** 05-21-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron

I still have nightmares of bey's keystone blocker capers in Nightson's game,

Is this ... meta, Megatron?

Are you finding the role claim an issue now?

Crumb · #**1292** 05-21-2011, 07:11 PM

A town role-blocker? :chin:

divagreen · #**1293** 05-21-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightson

@Diva (no quotes because I'm on my iPhone)

So you think the optimal strategy is to lynch people without them claiming?

No, Nightson, that is not what I am saying at all. I am FOSing you because your rationale can be perceived as special hunting.

What do you think of Jerome now and his claim and the manner of delivery?

Elouise · #**1294** 05-21-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Good job Scum getting a Special to out Day 1.

I am the Role Blocker.

Demicon · #**1295** 05-21-2011, 08:59 PM

Sorry everyone for not updating the vote count. Though I've been keeping up with the thread, I simply haven't been able to pull myself away from work long enough to do it.
I'm currently at a regional art competition with five of my students - four of them medaled! (this has pre-occupied me for the past couple weeks). I will be back this afternoon with a full vote count (thanks, Nightson, for the last one).

Megatron · #**1296** 05-21-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Elouise

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Originally Posted by Megatron

I still have nightmares of bey's keystone blocker capers in Nightson's game,

Is this ... meta, Megatron?

Are you finding the role claim an issue now?

It was a joke, jesus christ.

And the issue I have with the claim is I'm not sure I believe it.

Gonzo · #**1297** 05-21-2011, 10:58 PM

No flavor is a no sell, Jerry. I'm okay with my vote.

Jerome · #**1298** 05-21-2011, 11:21 PM

I am Borma an American doctor hired by Section 9.

Deadlokd · #**1299** 05-21-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

I am Borma an American doctor hired by Section 9.

You're lying through your back teeth! Borma was an explosives expert in GitS 2. The closest Borma gets to being a Doctor is making vaccines.

Borma - Ghost in the Shell Wiki

Any last words?

Gonzo · #**1300** 05-21-2011, 11:58 PM