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the considerable majority of people who were born did not survive until their 5th birthday.
During periods of consolidation of peoples communicable diseases do fester.
The is only done large scale via cities.
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Good Job Jerome, the world population is higher now than it has ever been, but that wasn't the disputed claim,
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The human population has swelled so much that people alive today outnumber all those who have ever lived.
You can't count Neanderthal thru Australopithecus. Those dumb fucks couldn't make a society of exponential growth as we have.
You do know that all animal species populations grow exponentially under the right circumstances, right? They only slow down when predators or resource limitations rein them in. Resource limitations will eventually rein us in as well.
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The human population has swelled so much that people alive today outnumber all those who have ever lived.
You can't count Neanderthal thru Australopithecus. Those dumb fucks couldn't make a society of exponential growth as we have.
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You do know that all animal species populations grow exponentially under the right circumstances, right? They only slow down when predators or resource limitations rein them in. Resource limitations will eventually rein us in as well.
And we are the only ones that have figured this and used it for scientific purpose.
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the considerable majority of people who were born did not survive until their 5th birthday.
During periods of consolidation of peoples communicable diseases do fester.
The is only done large scale via cities.
And this has what all -- jack all? -- to do with your preposterous claim that you think your charts showed but did not? :popcorn:

ETA: What is it with you and charts, anyway? Do you have similar problems reading a map?
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You do know that all animal species populations grow exponentially under the right circumstances, right? They only slow down when predators or resource limitations rein them in. Resource limitations will eventually rein us in as well.
And we are the only ones that have figured this and used it for scientific purpose.
Oh I get it. This is you trying to change the subject.
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The human population has swelled so much that people alive today outnumber all those who have ever lived.
You can't count Neanderthal thru Australopithecus. Those dumb fucks couldn't make a society of exponential growth as we have.
No one did.

Both the genetic and the fossil records establish that Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old, and likely at least 400,000 years old.
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Both the genetic and the fossil records establish that Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old, and likely at least 400,000 years old.
You should check this shit before you post it.

The Oldest Homo Sapiens: Fossils Push Human Emergence Back To 195,000 Years Ago

When the bones of two early humans were found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia, they were thought to be 130,000 years old. A few years ago, researchers found 154,000- to 160,000-year-old human bones at Herto, Ethiopia. Now, a new study of the 1967 fossil site indicates the earliest known members of our species, Homo sapiens, roamed Africa about 195,000 years ago.
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So, we are not 200,000 years old yet, much less 400,000, and did you notice that every new find keeps pushing the date back, like all new finds are always older or something...
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That the majority of people who have ever lived are alive today is one of those remarkably stupid ideas that falls to pieces the moment one thinks about it.

The median age worldwide is estimated to be 28.4 years. This means that fewer than half the people alive today were alive 29 years ago -- because, you know, that's the definition of median age. Because of medical advances and lowered infant mortality rates, the median age worldwide is almost-certainly higher today than it has been at any time in the past.


Okay, the world's current population is 7.0 billion. Half of that is ... um ... 3.5 billion. So, how far back in history do we have to go before the total number of people who have lived exceeds 3.5 billion? Not very far.


The best estimate is that the world's population reached 4.0 billion sometime in 1974. That was 37 years ago, so fewer than half the people alive then (much fewer) are still alive today. So let's be ultra-conservative and say that there were 2.0 billion people alive in 1974 who are not part of the world's current population.

The world's population was estimated to have reached 2.0 billion in 1927. There's a 47-year gap between 1974 and 1927, so fewer than half (many fewer than half) of the people alive in 1927 were still living in 1974, and a vanishingly-small number of the people alive in 1927 are still alive today. So -- again, to be ultra-conservative -- let's assume that there were 1.0 billion people alive in 1927 who were not still living in 1974.

This brings us to some 3.0 billion people who have lived and are not still alive, and we've gone back less than 100 years.


The world's population was estimated to have reached 1.0 billion in 1804. I think that we can safely assume that none of those people were still alive 123 years later in 1927. So we'll add another 1.0 billion to the total number of people who have lived but are no longer alive.

That brings us to ... let me see now ... 4.0 billion people. At last check, 4.0 billion exceeds 3.5 billion. And that 4.0 billion is a deliberately ultraconservative estimate.

So we only have to go back about 200 years to completely destroy the silly notion that more than half the people who have ever lived are alive today.
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So, we are not 200,000 years old yet, much less 400,000, and did you notice that every new find keeps pushing the date back, like all new finds are always older or something...
Do you read your own links?

Anatomically modern humans are at least 195,000 years old, according to the fossil record. Our species (Homo sapiens) is considerably older (at least 200,000 years old and more likely close to 400,000 years old), as is indicated by both fossil evidence of "archaic" Homo sapiens and genetic evidence.
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When, I ask you sirs and madams, when is this terrible injustice going to be addressed at last? How many time do we have to go to the well and find it empty? How many times must we seek in vain? When are the moderating classes finally going to see the degrading situation that they make us live in, depriving us AS THEY DO! MAKE NO MISTAKE THEY DO SO KNOWINGLY! I say as they deprive us of that thing so much treasured, valued and required by any who toil their way through threads like this...

Why, I ask you, do we not have a :Movethegoalpost" smiley?
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So, we are not 200,000 years old yet, much less 400,000, and did you notice that every new find keeps pushing the date back, like all new finds are always older or something...
LOL

Or, or or... the ones that push the date back are the ones that are being published and generate some interest? Because the other ones are more or less about things we already know?

Were you expecting a find that would move the earliest date forward in the record? Like the archaeological remains of a crude but functional cave-man time-machine? Can you imagine a find that tells us categorically that fire was not invented yet? Like a note scribbled in Neanderthal that says "fuck me this would have been easier of we had invented fire yet, only we haven't so I guess we're screwed?"

Honestly. Do you engage your brain before you post or just say the first thing that seems to vaguely relate and appears to go in the direction you like?
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Why, I ask you, do we not have a :Movethegoalpost" smiley?
We so totally do! :shiftgoalpost:

I'm reporting you to the Forum Administratum, that your error of thought might be corrected.

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When, I ask you sirs and madams, when is this terrible injustice going to be addressed at last? How many time do we have to go to the well and find it empty? How many times must we seek in vain? When are the moderating classes finally going to see the degrading situation that they make us live in, depriving us AS THEY DO! MAKE NO MISTAKE THEY DO SO KNOWINGLY! I say as they deprive us of that thing so much treasured, valued and required by any who toil their way through threads like this...

Why, I ask you, do we not have a :Movethegoalpost" smiley?
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You should check this shit before you post it.

The Oldest Homo Sapiens: Fossils Push Human Emergence Back To 195,000 Years Ago

When the bones of two early humans were found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia, they were thought to be 130,000 years old. A few years ago, researchers found 154,000- to 160,000-year-old human bones at Herto, Ethiopia. Now, a new study of the 1967 fossil site indicates the earliest known members of our species, Homo sapiens, roamed Africa about 195,000 years ago.
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By the by, just to clarify: you only have to go back about 200 years before the total number of people who have lived in that interval but are not presently alive exceeds half the world's current population. And that's when you're ultra-conservative in your estimates.

You don't have to go back much further before the total number of people who has lived in that interval -- but are not currently living -- exceeds the number of people alive today.

For example, it's estimated that there were over 600 million people alive in the year 1700. I think that we can safely assume that for practical purposes, none of them were alive in 1804 when the world's population is estimated to have reached 1.0 billion.

So let's add another 0.6 billion to that 4.0 billion who lived before today, but are not part of today's population. And again, that's being ultra-conservative -- after all, the median age today is less than 29 years, and it was surely less then. So the real number would have likely been at least 3 or 4 times higher.

The estimated world's [human] population in 1600 was 545 million. Again, we can safely assume that virtually no one who was alive in 1600 was still alive in 1700. And again, we'll be ultraconservative and ignore the fact that several generations came and went in that time span.

So we're up to more than 5.1 billion people who definitely lived before today who aren't still around.


The estimated world population in 1500 was 425 million. This brings us up to an ultraconservative estimate of more than 5.5 billion people who lived in the past 500 years but are not alive today.


The estimated world population in 1400 was 350 million. That brings us up to more than 5.8 billion people who have lived in the past 600 years but aren't around today.


The estimated world population in 1300 was actually a bit higher at 360 million than it was in 1400 (pesky plagues). That brings us up to 6.1 billion.


The estimated world population in 1200 was also about 360 million. (World population growth didn't really take off until the Industrial Revolution, several hundred years later.) This brings us up to ... let's say ... 6.4 billion people.


The estimated world population in 1100 was about 320 million. So we're up to about 6.7 billion people.


The estimated world population in the year 1000 was 265 million. Which brings us up to 7 billion, give or take a few million.



So, even if we use ultra-ultra-conservative estimates of human population sizes and longevities, we only have to go back 1,000 years or so before the total number of people who have lived handily exceeds the total number who're currently alive. And that's not counting all the people who lived before then who -- presumably -- are not still alive.
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Jerry, what has any of the above to do with the fact that once again, you've had your ass handed to you on a silver platter, a simple math demonstration of population densities discounting everything you claimed? Hm? :popcorn:
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Okay, just an observation:

The total number of people who have ever lived or are alive now exceeds the number who have died, by roughly seven billion. I would guess that the people coming to the conclusion that there are more people alive than dead are going off this number because they framed the math wrong.
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