Pinterest, ladysplained.

[lisarea]

Oh, yeah. That. I take back my hurtful recriminations, because I too have been annoyed by that a couple of times. I think that comes largely back to the very common issue where people pin stuff without a clear attribution. Like, sometimes it even just goes back to an image search or something, and you have to search keywords and tineye and stuff to even figure out what something is. (I report the ones that redirect to spam, though.)

With those, you could maybe just track them down and pin your corrected or expanded version.

It's my impression that a lot of people just pin things for the images, and don't even expect anyone to click through or want to know more. They're literally using it like a scrapbook of pictures they liked.

[Ymir's blood]

Is there a demand for batmats with bloody footprints?

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[Demimonde]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Found one Demi!

Instead of cleaning, I'm crafting. / Two fingerprints, yours and your partner's, or your kids', made with salt clay and silver paint! So sweet!

The description is "Made with salt clay and painted silver" but it links to an Etsy store where they use your fingerprints to create sterling pendants. It's not a craft at all!

Exactly! Those things are all over the place. It makes me wonder, did someone see that pin, think of a hack for something similar or want to try to recreate it and write something like "I could make this with salt clay and silver paint" and shelve it for later? I have totally done that myself. Did some one else clip it to "make this with salt clay and silver paint?" And some one later fiddle with the tense? It is like a giant game of telephone, or Leesifer's racist whisper game.

The alternative is just people being Lying McLiarsons and just wanting to grab page views. But a vendor on Etsy doesn't want views, they want customers. That will actually turn off customers who are expecting something free and/or DIY. It is just crazy.

Originally Posted by lisarea

Oh, yeah. That. I take back my hurtful recriminations, because I too have been annoyed by that a couple of times. I think that comes largely back to the very common issue where people pin stuff without a clear attribution. Like, sometimes it even just goes back to an image search or something, and you have to search keywords and tineye and stuff to even figure out what something is. (I report the ones that redirect to spam, though.)

I hate those. I mean like really HATE those. I understand that some people are new adopters and I try to give slack. There is a new thing though too, where pinners link to other blogs that mention the thing, to another blog that mentions it, to ANOTHER blog that actually has the instructions/vendor/original poster. It is like a matryoshka doll of linkstorms. Or GOD, remember webrings? Are we going back to the nineties again? I blame those link party things the mommy bloggers are doing.

And the other ugly thing that is happening is people are finding instructions, blogging about it themselves, and getting pins for things they didn't even come up with. Piggybacking plagiarists, Batman! Some of those can be pretty funny though if other fans of the original find it and flame them. "Sonya totally already posted this exact cellulite pudding recipe on Moms With Vericose Veins! You have to give her credit or I will call the FBI!" "That is not true! I totally got this recipe from Google.com!"

I will usually try to pin the originator in that case just to balance the universe. Also fuck plagiarists.

With those, you could maybe just track them down and pin your corrected or expanded version.

I usually do if the thing is worth it. Typically though I am so annoyed with it by the time I find the thing that I am sick of it and just want to move on. Maybe we need a "There I fixed that for you" board.

It's my impression that a lot of people just pin things for the images, and don't even expect anyone to click through or want to know more. They're literally using it like a scrapbook of pictures they liked.

That is totally part of the pinterest culture now. I know I am guilty of it sometimes too, especially boards where I am just gathering images for projects and I just want the aesthetic or the picture itself.

If you notice some of the sub sections are heavy on instructions, articles, and substance but others are all about the pretty picture, macros or memes. Users drawn to pinterest for a particular sub section though will branch out into others and retain the habit of posting.

It is kinda funny if you think about it. It is kinda like tumblr and twitter went into a closet, had a baby, and the baby smiled at me, showed me a picture of a cute puppy and offered me crock pot recipes.

[Ensign Steve]

So, pea, I saw you got initiated in that cryptic underground Mezzanine board. How cool are we?

[lisarea]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

I hate those. I mean like really HATE those. I understand that some people are new adopters and I try to give slack. There is a new thing though too, where pinners link to other blogs that mention the thing, to another blog that mentions it, to ANOTHER blog that actually has the instructions/vendor/original poster. It is like a matryoshka doll of linkstorms. Or GOD, remember webrings? Are we going back to the nineties again? I blame those link party things the mommy bloggers are doing.

That's always tricky, too. When you get a link from a blog that leads in with a summary (rather than just having the link) or some context, do you give a link to that blog, or to the original site? Maybe link the original site, then put a "via" credit in the description like some sites do (kind of sloppy on Pinterest because I don't think you can title hyperlinks)?

And sometimes, the page you ultimately want to link is unpinnable, either because they set no Pinterest flags, or they just don't have images to pin.

I still haven't figured out solid rules for who gets credit for what sometimes.

That is totally part of the pinterest culture now. I know I am guilty of it sometimes too, especially boards where I am just gathering images for projects and I just want the aesthetic or the picture itself.

I don't think it's anything to be guilty about. Designers have always done that. They'll have a corkboard or a notebook or something with swatches and pictures they use as shorthand. Like a swatch of fabric they just like for the color or pattern, a picture they want to emulate the overall style from, shapes, fonts, things like that, that they use as visual cues when they're working on something.

There's nothing to feel guilty about just pinning something for aesthetic reasons, or collecting images you like.

The tricky part comes in with the social aspect. That is, you need to credit the source because you're sharing those visual cues with others rather than just using them for your own project.

I don't think the etiquette for those things has been totally hashed out yet, so you're still getting a mish mash of different approaches to it.

And yeah, you also got some pretty fresh n00bs out there who don't internet so good.

[lisarea]

Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

So, pea, I saw you got initiated in that cryptic underground Mezzanine board. How cool are we?

OMGOMGOMG YES. I was seriously excited when I got invited to that!

I'm not entirely sure what we're supposed to be doing yet, though, except pinning things along certain themes. Is there a meta-theme to the themes? What does it all mean?

I'm afraid I'm gonna mess up. Tell me what to do!

[Ensign Steve]

Oh god I don't even know! I was away all week and I kept getting these emails on my phone "so-and-so has added a pin to your group board" and I'm like "what is this board? i'm dying to know!" and then I get home and fire up the pinterest just now and I'm like, I have no idea what's going on. But then I saw you were on it and felt safe! Still confused though.

[Demimonde]

How is this even possible?

[BrotherMan]

Maybe because salad stopped being hilarious?

[Demimonde]

Originally Posted by Demimonde

How is this even possible?

Okay, now I look like a crazy lady for posting that. When I first posted the search for "salad" there were zero posts. Now it is full. Must have been a bug of some kind, though searching for other stuff worked at the time.

They really need more than a dozen employees.

[Ensign Steve]

I saw it with the zero results though and giggled. You do still look like a crazy, though.

[Demimonde]

Blarf.

Sometimes I see the grossest ideas on there and just want to punch people. This was a guy's professional account, and IIRC he was one of the taste maker people that you can follow when you create your account. So I had to boo hiss at him.

With 474,547 followers, I doubt he will get the message though.

[livius drusus]

Nice booing and hissing. I'm glad to see you're not alone.

[lisarea]

They almost always use non-corresponding terms.

"Dear Girls," "Sincerely, Real Men." That really makes him sound like a pedophile.

[lisarea]

OH, also.

NEW POAST. Did anyone else lose that left navigation bar? I haven't had it since yesterday, and it's messing me up p. hard.

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

YES. OMG it's really pissing me off.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by lisarea

OH, also.

NEW POAST. Did anyone else lose that left navigation bar? I haven't had it since yesterday, and it's messing me up p. hard.

Yes, me too! Which I tried to express with the instead of a whole post, but then I wasn't sure if that was coming through, so I made the post anyway.

[Demimonde]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Nice booing and hissing. I'm glad to see you're not alone.

That made me happy too. It was kinda like once I posted others were willing to speak up too. It is making me reconsidering un-following him. Especially with his audience base. Those professional people are set up by pinterest to have a HUGE base of followers. In that way they set the tone of the community and are kinda the leaders who show new users what to do and what is acceptable. Their pins migrate like crazy too.

I mean shit that one nasty post has almost 900 repins. I might keep him in my queue and perhaps add some of the others who post similar stuff just to speak out about that. If it is your pro account, I am not being a meany, I am just being a vocal consumer. Maybe that would be one way to show others how to do this pinning thing, or at least another direction. I will say that out of this I followed a few of the other women who spoke up, even though one didn't have much in the way of boards so I am thinking new. Bonus: I can get happy stuff from them that won't make me want to punch someone.

Originally Posted by lisarea

They almost always use non-corresponding terms.

"Dear Girls," "Sincerely, Real Men." That really makes him sound like a pedophile.

AINORITE! It is totally gross and disrespectful to women.

Originally Posted by lisarea

OH, also.

NEW POAST. Did anyone else lose that left navigation bar? I haven't had it since yesterday, and it's messing me up p. hard.

There is a report on the "Activity Bar" issue. I didn't even know what they call it and had no idea how to search for the issue, but I finally found it last night.

[Demimonde]

HA HA! And like just after I post that, MY ACTIVITY FEED IS BACK!

[LadyShea]

What's with the "This is Pinterest!" every time comments get a bit heated or long? Where are the etiquette rules about comments I am missing?

[Crumb]

[LadyShea]

Oh hey BTW...PINBUSTERS!

Soaking pennies in vinegar for a week does NOT create a "lovely Caribbean blue wood stain (which is unstable and must be clear coated)"

Pennies soaked in vinegar for a week produced a bunch of pennies in a jar of vinegar.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

What's with the "This is Pinterest!" every time comments get a bit heated or long? Where are the etiquette rules about comments I am missing?

I dunno, but I imagine it's all the same shit like how reddit used to be cool before the big Digg exodus and now all these johnny-come-latelies are screwing it up for the people who had it under control when it was still cool, etc. People just want everybody else to do things their way. I had some random facebook chick post some crap about "can we watch the language, please? My grandchildren are just learning how to read and I'd rather not have to unfriend anybody" and I'm thinking, bitch, are you kidding me? I never claimed my feed was appropriate for children. People just want to be the internet police.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

I dunno, but I imagine it's all the same shit like how reddit used to be cool before the big Digg exodus and now all these johnny-come-latelies are screwing it up for the people who had it under control when it was still cool, etc. People just want everybody else to do things their way. I had some random facebook chick post some crap about "can we watch the language, please? My grandchildren are just learning how to read and I'd rather not have to unfriend anybody" and I'm thinking, bitch, are you kidding me? I never claimed my feed was appropriate for children. People just want to be the internet police.

My first question is why new readers (age what 4-7?) are passing time perusing their grandma's Facebook feed? NOT AGE APPROPRIATE AND NOT EVEN FUN FOR THEM!

Also, the threat of unfriending is so dramatic given that he/she could ignore/hide specific people's feeds and or hide specific posts or updates or whatever they are called.

Fuck you, Grandma!

[Qingdai]

The Fuck you Granmas, are legion!

THIS IS FUCK YOU GRANDMA!