WTF? Gurdur? Banned @ IIDB?

[raspberrybullets]

Found it vm, post #155

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by raspberrybullets

Found it vm, post #155

Ahh, thanks. Damn that was ages ago!

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

Hasn't Gurdur been suspended from the IIDB in the past?

Not that I recall, but then I can't recall what I had for breakfast.

Are there penalty enhancers for repeat offenders?

There are, but the specifics depend on time zones, all volunteers, best we can do, etc.

Will Mac and Rachel reunite and embark on a second honeymoon?

Not a chance; she'll be with me.

[raspberrybullets]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

Ahh, thanks. Damn that was ages ago!

Didn't he (enrious) complain about Gurdur bringing up old complaints to the IIDB admin?

[raspberrybullets]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

Actually I don't think that's true. I'll bet $5 Fishers thread was deleted by The Other Michael, and I doubt he cares a lick what's being said in this thread. It seems that by the time Mav locked DD's Gurdur Problem thread they had decided the issue would no longer be discussed there, period. I suspect Fisher's thread would've been deleted no matter what she said as long as the subject was Gurdur's suspension.

You are right about that, it was deleted by The Other Michael.

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by raspberrybullets

You are right about that, it was deleted by The Other Michael.

Hmm... I think I knew that, now that I think about it. He said as much in her P&C thread. So much for my psychic abilities.

[Never]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

Hasn't Gurdur been suspended from the IIDB in the past?

Are there penalty enhancers for repeat offenders?

Will Mac and Rachel reunite and embark on a second honeymoon?

Thanks for the humurous relief there. Unfortunatly, Mac is dead so...it'll have to be Carl and Rachel in the reunion show.

[Never]

Originally Posted by MollyMac

Speaking as an iidb mod, may I take this opportunity to say that your disclaimers are indeed noticed and appreciated, as are similar efforts by other critics. As a dissenter in this latest debacle - and one who feels your analysis of it to be pretty much spot-on (same goes for Farren) - I feel my position to be a difficult one but I certainly don't feel under attack from any quarter.

ditto

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by Never

Thanks for the humurous relief there.

That's pretty much all he's good for.

[raspberrybullets]

Who's Mac and Carl and Rachel?

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by Never

ditto

Oh now I get it, you guys are trying to make a liar out of me. Don't you oppress me!

Ahem. Seriously, though. Thanks.

[D. Scarlatti]

Mac and Rachel were characters on Another World about 35 years ago.

I'm also good for showing my age. It was the most up-to-date popular culture reference I could conjure.

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by raspberrybullets

Who's Mac and Carl and Rachel?

I thought Scarlatti just made up those names and I was playing along. I'm afraid there's a(nother) soap opera involved here.

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

Mac and Rachel were characters on Another World about 35 years ago.

So is this what you did before you discovered show tunes?

I'm also good for showing my age.

Don't go blaming the years. I'm nearly as old as you and I can't name any characters from soaps.

[raspberrybullets]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

I thought Scarlatti just made up those names and I was playing along. I'm afraid there's a(nother) soap opera involved here.

My favourite episode is the one where you and Gurdur throw love each others way.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

Actually I don't think that's true. I'll bet $5 Fishers thread was deleted by The Other Michael, and I doubt he cares a lick what's being said in this thread. It seems that by the time Mav locked DD's Gurdur Problem thread they had decided the issue would no longer be discussed there, period. I suspect Fisher's thread would've been deleted no matter what she said as long as the subject was Gurdur's suspension.

This is pretty much true. Sometime within the previous 24 hours or so the admins pretty much decided that any discussion on the matter was closed and to alert them to any new threads on the subject. Still, I don't see why they just didn't lock her thread and send it to ~e~ instead of soft-delete it.

[MollyMac]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

In any case I certainly hope Vorkosigan received an identical warning from ELGS for this comment to MollyMac, but I suppose whether she did is Need to Know info:

LOL! In answer to your question I reproduce below some of my post from the MCR thread. I’ve snipped some bits to maintain the confidentiality of other participants in the discussion.

It seems to me that the choice being presented is too stark: either (we shouldn't comment on personal attacks) at all. Or we should report the post and let the moderators in their wisdom decide whether something constitutes a personal attack and whether it is editable.

Is there no grey area? Surely, there is. Time and again in this MCR we start threads where it is acknowledged that a post may be nasty and offensive to another user but which nonetheless is not editable. There are a great many such posts in EoG and a great many of the targets of these posts complain about them directly to their attacker in-thread. Are we now to start telling all these people that they mustn’t comment on these offensive posts in-thread, (snip) or that they must always report posts even those we would consider “under the wire”? Are there never times when pointing out that someone’s comment amount to an insult or an attack can be a legitimate part of the in-thread discussion?

If not, then I trust you will go back and edit Vork’s comment to me in the same Evans thread


Quoted by Vork:
I see that misrepresentations and personal attacks are part and parcel of the communication style of the Superior Atheist types.

and that you will send him an appropriate PM telling him he should’ve reported the “personal attacks” I made and that he should not complain about moderation in-thread, because surely by the same token, that is “tantamount” to what it was?

Obviously, that wasn’t a serious suggestion. I’m simply trying to illustrate why I think your insistence that Gurdur is complaining about moderation is mistaken. (snip). I was deeply offended at the Vork’s suggestions that I am “snide”, that I’ve “got a nice scam going on” and his most oft-repeated one that I think I’m “superior”. I don’t think it would have been unreasonable of me to complain directly in-thread to Vork about these nasty, unsubstantiated personal comments (snip)

However, this is not to say that I think those comments should have been edited – I don’t. As far as I’m concerned they come into the huge category of snipes that are hurtful to the target but not editable but which it should be permissible to object to in-thread without a moderator taking umbrage.

I think the fact that ELGS interpreted Gurdur’s (but not Vork’s) comments as being in violation of this rule:

Users may disagree with the decisions or actions of the Moderators and/or Administrators, but disagreements, criticism and the like are not to be aired within the discussion topics. They may be discussed in the Problems & Complaints forum.

...and that Michael interpreted Fisher’s post as giving Gurdur a voice just goes to show that everything that is ever said by anyone can somehow be interpreted in more than one way and that how one interprets things is influenced by one’s feelings about the people who said them and the people they are said to. As vm put it earlier in this thread:

I just think it's as simple as the fact that how people process the available information and interpret the applicable rules is colored by the outcome they prefer.

And, at the end of the day, I don’t see a way through this. I can only say that my views on rules and moderation are…evolving…as a result of this issue.

Finally, on the question of the silence of dissenting mods, I can only speak for myself and say that I don’t particularly feel that bound not to comment publicly. It’s just that modding at iidb is an extremely small part of my life, the rest of which gets in the way. I posted the above on 15th June, the day before I went on a ten day holiday and only returned at the weekend to find it had all been said and done.

[raspberrybullets]

Originally Posted by dipertni

This is pretty much true. Sometime within the previous 24 hours or so the admins pretty much decided that any discussion on the matter was closed and to alert them to any new threads on the subject. Still, I don't see why they just didn't lock her thread and send it to ~e~ instead of soft-delete it.

You say new threads, does this mean old thread already started, if continued will not be locked? If I decided to air my opinion some more in the "Let me get this straight" thread I started in P&C about the idiocy of the rule, would it remain unlocked?

[beyelzu]

actually, I was thinking of making a gurdur post in each forum,

something using his name that could be fun.

gurdur's reasons that god doesnt exist

gurdur's favorite movies

why I want to be like gurdur when I grow up.

etc..

[raspberrybullets]

hehehehe that would be hilarious! I think you should do it. If Moose wasn't taking a hiatus, she could start a poll on Gurdur.

[D. Scarlatti]

So did anyone figure out why Gurdur was banninated yet?

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

etc..

The Collected Moderator Correspondence of Gurdur.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by raspberrybullets

You say new threads, does this mean old thread already started, if continued will not be locked? If I decided to air my opinion some more in the "Let me get this straight" thread I started in P&C about the idiocy of the rule, would it remain unlocked?

I don't know. As I said above, the admins are the 'moderators' for P&C and ICR.

Considering the stance most of the admins have taken, at least in the MCR, I wouldn't expect it to stay open much longer. Your best bet would be to start a more vague, generalized discussion about moderation policies in ICR rather than referring to any specific case.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

actually, I was thinking of making a gurdur post in each forum,

something using his name that could be fun.

gurdur's reasons that god doesnt exist

gurdur's favorite movies

why I want to be like gurdur when I grow up.

etc..

If you were to do that, I wouldn't expect your posting privileges to remain in tact for long. I'm not trying to threaten you- I just know how the admins operate there.

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by dipertni

If you were to do that, I wouldn't expect your posting privileges to remain intact for long.

Don't encourage him.