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The only way you can know this is true is if you understand Lessans' observations.
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Fair enough, peacegirl. Would you please list any and all observations that led Lessans to conclude that the human will is not free? Seems like as good a place to start as any, yes? |
That sounds reasonable. The only way I can explain his observations is to first post certain excerpts since there's no other way of getting his points across. Whether or not people will understand the reasoning behind his observations is undetermined (which only means I have no idea at this point who will understand and who won't). I certainly hope everyone carefully considers what he's saying before accusing him of being wrong. |
No.
Don't post excerpts, and don't post "explanations."
What. Were. The. "Observations." ?
That is the starting point.
Before there can be any honest or meaningful discussion of what his so-called "observations" mean, we must know what they were. |
The reason this discussion failed the first time is because I did not go in a step by step fashion. You asked me what were the observations, and that's what I'm trying to share with you if you will give me half a chance. |
The reason it failed the first time is because you spent nearly 600 pages defending something that was repeatedly shown to be false.
Falsity has a way of making things not work out the way you want them to.  |
And truth has a way of making things work out because of its veracity.