[davidm]

Even putting aside machines with exquisite accuracy: Are you seriously telling us that an ordinary human mind and optical system can't tell the fucking difference between 1.25 seconds and 2.5 seconds? Hey, peacegirl, have you got a watch or a clock with a fucking second hand? Are you trying to say you can't differentiate between 1.25 seconds and 2.5 seconds?? And you call Maturin a liar, your liar?

Also, peacegirl, you do realize, don't you, that we use the electromagnetic spectrum (of which visible light is a tiny subset) to communicate with distant space probes? Hey, peacegirl, have you ever heard of fucking radio? Well, guess the fuck what! When we send a radio transmission to Rovers on Mars, we have to wait a certain amount of time for their responses to return to us! And do you know what that time is? It's the time that light takes to travel from Mars back to us! If Lessans were right, we would receive those responses instantaneously. But, we don't.

Now what?