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Old 10-24-2012, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: A revolution in thought

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Show me a newborn that is the exact distance from its mum that is purportedly supposed to allow for recognition, and I will concede. There's no such evidence.
No, I said they could mimic faces. You move goalposts like it is a game of Three Cup Shuffle! Please do not interpret that as me trying to make you stop now.

I cannot find the abstract proper at this moment, but I do have a mention of this famous study here Andrew N. Meltzoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which showed that infant as young as 72 hours can in fact mimic facial expressions, such as sticking out their tongue. If they needed

Astonishingly and fascinatingly enough, apparently even neonatal macaques can do it!

Mirror neuron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is kind of wicked - there is some reason to suspect we have specialised neurons that not only allow us to display behaviours but observe them, recognize them and reproduce them. This would allow for a limited amount of hard-wiring of behaviour, and then relying on the surroundings to trigger them at a hopefully appropriate time.

How do you explain that in terms of lessanese sight? Should the newborn not be triggered by some sense other than sight to "focus" on the tongue, and then "project a word-association" on it?
You are so confused. This is not about a word association. A word association helps to identify an individual by giving him a name, which distinguishes him from other people when the name is used. A baby even a month old is already beginning to focus his eyes due to the stimulation he has received from his other senses. Once his eyes focus, they stay focused. I would like to see a newborn imitate his parent's gestures when his eyes are clearly not focused.

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