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The retina is a location and the Sun is a location. If the Sun is newly turned on at noon, and the photons are on the retina at noon as well as being emitted by the Sun at noon, that means light is in two places at the same time.
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No it does not. It means the photons are at the retina
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Are the photons also at the Sun or en route to Earth?
If yes, then you have the same photons at two locations
If no then you have photons teleporting to retinas
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Then why did you say "No it does not" when my point absolutely stands?
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No it does not stand. Light energy is constantly traveling so how can photons be at two places at the same time?
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Because you have stated they are located at the retina and also at the Sun at noon
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I did not say "no it does not" when the conditions are favorable. What are you talking about LadyShea, and why are you trying, as koan does, to implicate me on things that have no bearing on this discussion?
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What are you talking about with favorable conditions? We are using Lessans scenario of the Sun being turned on at noon, and being able to see the Sun at noon when no photons, at all, are on Earth..again according to his very own scenario. These "conditions" are very clearly stated in the quoted posts above.
You have stated that photons will physically interact with retinas and camera film under these conditions at noon.
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Only if the Sun is so bright that we are able to see this star when it's first turned on. |
According to Lessans scenario, this is the case. He sated we will see the Sun at noon.
Where all are photons located at noon in that scenario?
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That means you have photons located 1. on the Sun, and 2. on camera film or retinas, at noon. That's two different locations (count them) at the same time(noon).
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Yes, it does. Unless you are not saying photons are on the retina, or you are not saying that photons are not beginning to be emitted by the Sun at noon
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You are looking at the photons traveling to Earth before we can see the Sun (the afferent perspective)
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No I am not talking about seeing at all.
I am only asking you to clarify where photons are physically located, at noon, in Lessans scenario. Which you know what I am asking and are choosing to act dense as a way to weasel. |
You are so confused as to what efferent vision allows that you think you are right in your condemnation. But you are not right, and for you to act as if you do is a total sham LadyShea. Just admit that you aren't sure, and that would be a great leap toward deciphering what is actually true from what is THOUGHT to be true. |
I am sure you are copping out with your weaseling. Answer the questions, that will help decipher the efferent account, which you currently have as something from Wonderland.
Name all the locations of light photons at noon in Lessans scenario of the Sun being turned on at noon and being able to see the Sun at noon. In case you missed it, the time is one time 12:00:00. According to Lessans the Sun was just ignited, and it can be seen at this time.
Are there photons located on retinas at 12:00:00? If yes, where did they come from? How did they get there?
Are there photons located on the Sun just being emitted at 12:00:00? |
I didn't come back to get into this again. Light does not have to travel to Earth for light to interact with the retina in the efferent model. |
Then light has completely different properties in the efferent model. Why do you keep denying that this is the case?
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Light is a condition of sight; it does not cause sight. It allows the object to be seen in real time; it does not travel through space/time without the event or object present in some form.
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In this scenario the object is the Sun, and it is present.
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does travel through space and time. That is a known and empirically observable property of light.
So, please admit that for efferent vision to be true, light must have completely different properties than it is known and observed to have.
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Name all the locations of light photons at noon in Lessans scenario of the Sun being turned on at noon and being able to see the Sun at noon. In case you missed it, the time is one time 12:00:00. According to Lessans the Sun was just ignited, and it can be seen at this time.